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Dear Mike and Rudy:

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Dear Mike and Rudy:

I sit here on the eve of Super Tuesday and I, the Charming Conservative, ask myself over and over and over again, "How did this happen?" How is it possible that the Grand Old Party, the GOP, the republican party of which I have always been an extremely proud card carrying member has made John McCain frontrunner for the GOP nomination? How is it possible that a man so despised by the base of his party has managed to earn frontrunner status?

Oh, there are a number of theories. It all came down to Florida didn't it? That state where after the 2000 election I proclaimed to my husband he could just forget about ever retiring to. No I told him I could never live in a state that in one fell swoop tried to undermine our nation's entire system of elections and shift the power away from the people to the courts. Yes, I've been annoyed with Florida ever since 2000 and then when that same state allowed Terri Schiavo to be murdered by her ex-husband in 2005 well that was just the icing on the cake. The subject was closed and we weren't ever moving to Florida. And then came the Florida primary.

Let's face it John McCain had already been crowned GOP frontrunner even before the Florida primary by the mainstream media and those pesky independent voters in the early primaries. So when January 29th finally arrived, I hoped against hope that the closed primary in Florida would mean advantage Romney. Even if Romney managed to win by only a point or two, I wanted to stop McCain from heading into Super Tuesday saying that he was the choice not just of independent voters and the media but of the republican party as well. And things looked pretty good for Romney in Florida until McCain dropped a little zinger the weekend prior to the vote misrepresenting –no lying about- Romney's position on Iraq war timetables. Romney demanded an apology but it was too late particularly when nearly simultaneously Governor Crist went against his word that he would let the Florida voters vote and endorsed McCain. Many people say that endorsements don't matter but with John McCain the Crist endorsement mattered. McCain went on to beat Romney in Florida---- he did't trounce him like Obama did Hillary in North Carolina. No McCain won by just 5 points with 36% to Romney's 31%. But sadly it was enough.

And then the unthinkable – who said there was no good television this year because of that writer's strike ---you, Mr. Giuliani, can I call you Rudy? You endorsed John McCain that very next day after Florida. Shame on you-- shame on you Rudy for endorsing McCain before Super Tuesday with Arnold Schwarzenegger following right on your heels. It seemed so wrong. It made your entire campaign look like a farce. It made me wonder if your so called Florida strategy had been designed all along to help your good friend John gain momentum for the nomination while you allowed your own position as last summer's frontrunner to freefall and did nothing to stop it. Rumor has it that Fred Thompson may endorse John McCain but will not do so before Super Tuesday. For that I applaud him.

Prior to Fred Thompson finally joining the race all too late last fall, you Rudy had been my first choice but you never showed up. You seemed to be running from the race for President instead of in it. In the post game analysis I heard you were frightened by Romney's money in Iowa. Then frightened once again by the bogus media scandal over your prior accounting & security practices and with Bernie Kerik back in the headlines you ran from New Hampshire. You did campaign hard in Florida but it was evident long before the vote that your eggs in one basket strategy had failed. I want to know Rudy what did John promise you and more importantly when? Some say it's a VP nod. I'm thinking more Attorney General. So yes, Rudy, I'm annoyed with you. Your performance as Mayor of New York City was commendable and you were, are, and always shall be an American hero; nevertheless, I am now really for the first time ever disappointed in you. You have said your supporters were overlapping with Senator McCain's and so it seems you were right as current polls indicate your support has shifted mostly to McCain.

And then there's also ran Mike Huckabee. Mr. Huckabee, you refuse to let these republican primaries be a two-man race knowing that you cannot win. Even John Edwards had the grace to let the democrats have same on the other side of the aisle. Too bad Mr Huckabee you don't have that same sense of grace. And so I have to wonder again Mr. Huckabee what it was that John McCain has promised you since it's clear you are remaining in this race solely as spoiler to Mitt Romney. Looking just today at the state by state polls, there is no doubt Romney would have a better chance of pulling it out on Super Tuesday were it not for the persistent presence of Mike Huckabee. Mr. Hucakbee, the time is now to let your party have a clear choice. The times are just too critical and it has become obvious that were there no Mike Huckabee in this race we would already have had very different outcomes in South Carolina and Florida.

So Rudy when you didn't show up in the race and when Fred Thompson dropped out I embraced Mitt Romney. Romney was doing better and better in debates finally feeling comfortable in his own skin. And as the economy moved to the forefront (since yes the surge is working) I believed this too had to help Romney over the self described weak on economy John McCain. It didn't. So here we are one day before Super Tuesday and what we have is a GOP frontrunner who seemingly earned that status by dividing and conquering his own party. How did he do it? The answer is quite simple really. He did it with the help of his good buds Rudy Giuliani and Mike Huckabee.

And so on Super Tuesday, I am hoping against hope that Romney will benefit from the wrath of conservatives like me. Mark my words Senator McCain may have found a way to win my party's nomination without conservative voters, but I dare him to try to win without us in November. My liberal friend jfxgillis has coined the phrase that names a new movement – "ABM!" – Anyone But Mccain! And with that drumbeat ringing in my ears this Tuesday, Super Tuesday, I will walk into that voting booth and proudly pull the lever for the former Governor of Massachusetts, Mr. Mitt Romney.

Sincerely,

LISAED
The Charming Conservative

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{"commentId":1434759,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

GO ROMNEY!!!! Like yesterday's Super Bowl - I am rooting for the underdog Mitt Romney in tomorrow's big game......HURRAH FOR MY GIANTS!!! & GO ROMNEY!!!

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  • 8 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 2:13 PM EST
{"commentId":1434910,"authorDomain":"jazzman646"}

lisa,

This is one Conservative Independent who is not a McCain supporter.

I agree with you that Huckabee is messing things up.

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  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 2:59 PM EST
{"commentId":1434926,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

Jazzman - it's great to see you, stranger! So can I presume that you too will be voting for Romney in your primary? While I was shocked and thrilled to see my Giants win yesterday- I am shocked and APPALLED to see McCain "frontrunner" for the GOP nomination.....

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  • 4 votes
#1.2 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 3:03 PM EST
{"commentId":1435724,"authorDomain":"rkurtz57"}

The McCain haters are all over talk radio... I guess Hannity, Limbaugh et al. don't have the political power that they pretend to have.

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  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 7:24 PM EST
{"commentId":1435738,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
I guess Hannity, Limbaugh et al. don't have the political power that they pretend to have.

mee- well - that remains to be seen, but for the record I don't listen to Hannity and rarely get the chance to listen anymore to my hero Mark Levin. I catch a couple minutes of Sean on my way home if I'm lucky.....nobody tells me who to vote for----and that includes John McCain's mother.

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  • 3 votes
#1.4 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 7:30 PM EST
{"commentId":1435929,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

mee

When Hannity is on TV I am watching Pasion, a soap opera (only one s and not two)

Please, don't confuse Hate with Dislike.

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  • 1 vote
#1.5 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:39 PM EST
{"commentId":1436808,"authorDomain":"cuttyscomments"}

mee

The McCain haters are all over talk radio..

This is typical. Rather than address the real reasons people on the right oppose McCain, just dismiss us as being "haters." Yes, we deeply hate many of the things McCain stands for -- amnesty for illegal aliens, attacking free speech, crippling our economy with taxes on energy use -- but we don't hate the man personally. We appreciate his military service, his heroism, and his support of the Iraq surge when it seemed nobody else would, but he's just flat wrong on so many things.

What you have to realize, it's McCain who started this fight with the right, not the other way around. National Review Online's John Hood nails it:

McCain is drawing fire from leading GOP conservatives because that's what he's worked towards for many, many years. McCain is not just a senator who occasionally picks fights with his colleagues over matters of principle. He is a self-styled maverick, a politician who enjoys being a loner and has actively cultivated the prestige press by "straight talk" primarily aimed at his party. They love that. He loves their love. So he keeps doing it.

When someone consistently sides with the left, as McCain has done, on issues conservatives care deeply about, we're just supposed to stand by and let him roll over us without so much as a peep? Sorry. I won't oblige and neither will all the radio talkers you so off-handedly dismiss as being haters.

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  • 7 votes
#1.6 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 6:41 AM EST
{"commentId":1436826,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

Cutty:

Weeeeeellllllllllllllllllll, .... I changed this a little:

This is typical. Rather than address the real reasons people on the [left] oppose [Bush], just dismiss us as being "haters."
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  • 4 votes
#1.7 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 6:53 AM EST
{"commentId":1437039,"authorDomain":"jazzman646"}

lisa,

yeah I'm going with Romney.

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  • 3 votes
#1.8 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 9:08 AM EST
{"commentId":1437361,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
yeah I'm going with Romney.

Jazzman - 1.8- HURRAH! I knew I liked you for a reason. Anyhoo - I too got my vote in early today for Romney. And your vote actually stands a chance of really meaning something for him down there in Georgia. I have been refusing to watch the polls and listen to the pundits tell me who to vote for....but will be watching very closely when I get home tonight! GO ROMNEY!

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  • 3 votes
#1.9 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 10:53 AM EST
{"commentId":1437805,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

lisa,

In GA, so far was the last time that I checked 32% McCain - 31% Mitt.

Proudly voted for Mitt Romney.

And.......I am sending a big THANK YOU to Al Gore today. If he did not opened the Pandora Box in 2000 we were not paying attention to our politicians like today.

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  • 3 votes
#1.10 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 12:49 PM EST
{"commentId":1438752,"authorDomain":"newcreation"}

I hope Huckabee stays in as long as possible and, along with Paul, forces a brokered convention.

Wouldn't that be interesting!

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  • 1 vote
#1.11 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 4:46 PM EST
{"commentId":1438760,"authorDomain":"newcreation"}
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{"commentId":1438769,"authorDomain":"rkurtz57"}
This is typical. Rather than address the real reasons people on the right oppose McCain, just dismiss us as being "haters."

No, I was characterizing you has 'haters' not dismissing you. I dislike McCain as well.

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    #1.13 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 4:49 PM EST
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    {"commentId":1434884,"authorDomain":"bluecollarbytes"}

    Great job on getting all that out. I tend to assume most know what's really going on so I tend to be short on details when I either 'opinionate' or rant. Yours is full of reasoned arguments laced with specificity.

    But I swear I'm going to actively dislike McCain if I end up being forced to vote for him against the Clintons. At the moment I mostly have a general distaste for him as a person while opposing most of what he wants to do to conservatives and more importantly to the country's future-saddling us with the global warming-climate changing-debacle and open borders as 'settled politics'. His politics come across more as obsessions, not the reasoned thinking that should mark any conservative running for the presidency.

    I don't trust him on judges, freedom of speech, domestic terrorist threats, and whatever the Democrat platform ends up containing for that matter.

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    • 2 votes
    Reply#2 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 2:47 PM EST
    {"commentId":1434907,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

    Bluecollarbytes - I thank you for stopping by and sharing with me your disdain for McCain!!!! Yes -I've had this on my chest for a very long time - it's been building and building and building - and so yes I just had to as you say "get it all out" NOW---before Super Tuesday!!!

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    • 2 votes
    #2.1 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 2:58 PM EST
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    {"commentId":1434930,"authorDomain":"spiffie"}
    Anyone But Mccain!

    We can walk arm-in-arm to vote for Hillary together in November, Lisa! ;-)

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    • 5 votes
    Reply#3 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 3:05 PM EST
    {"commentId":1434996,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

    Spiffie - 3.0 - so you're a hillary man, eh?

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    • 2 votes
    #3.1 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 3:28 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435063,"authorDomain":"spiffie"}

    No, actually I'm leaning Obama. But I'm also a bit of a realist, and I think Clinton still has a better than even shot at the nomination (probably 70/30).

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    • 5 votes
    #3.2 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 3:45 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435768,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

    spiff:

    HUH!?!?!?!

    I wouldn't give either one of them more than a 48% chance right now (that number might change tomorrow).

    I'd say they're about 50/50 with a small chance of a dark horse in a hung convention.

    70/30 is way to big. In other words. I'll TAKE that bet.

    :^{)>

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    • 3 votes
    #3.3 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 7:41 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435789,"authorDomain":"spiffie"}

    Obama is going to give her a run for her money, but in the end I think Hillary has the organization to pull it out. Obama is finally starting to pick up endorsements and close the gap in the polls, but the compressed schedule makes it harder for him to eke it out, I think.

    But I guess we'll see. :-)

    If there's no clear winner by the time Texas comes around, I'll be overjoyed. They might have to campaign in my state!

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    • 3 votes
    #3.4 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 7:49 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435795,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

    spiff:

    One of the problems for Hillary is that she'll need to win 50% +1 of the pledged delegates to carry it off. If the convention is techinally open, she's doomed.

    Plurality won't do it.

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    • 3 votes
    #3.5 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 7:52 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435803,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

    Spiffie & Jack - 3.3-3.4- While I obviously have no horse in your race - I see the dem party will be just fine no matter who the candidate is because the platform is the same. That is not the case with the republicans and I also give the dems credit for making this the 2-man (no offense, Hillary) race it now needs to be.

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    • 2 votes
    #3.6 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 7:56 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435914,"authorDomain":"rkurtz57"}

    while Obama and clinton's platforms are largely the same, Clinton still represents the 'old guard' politicians. I see Obama as a much more effective leader and obviously a much better orator. Which, compared to Clinton's shrill cackles, is important.

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    • 3 votes
    #3.7 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:34 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435939,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

    mee,

    Getting done something in our Congress takes 4 years when the elections are set.

    The politicians care only about #1, themselves.

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    • 3 votes
    #3.8 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:42 PM EST
    {"commentId":1436140,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

    Mee - 3.7 - I agree with you that the difference on the dem side is not a platform issue so much as it is a referendum on the Clintons vs. the new kid on the block.......I'm kinda envious frankly.

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    • 3 votes
    #3.9 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 9:54 PM EST
    {"commentId":1508954,"authorDomain":"ejronin"}
    hillary man

    Thats my thought too...

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    • 1 vote
    #3.10 - Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:17 AM EST
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    {"commentId":1434933,"authorDomain":"rkmagnus"}

    So hypothetically, if it were Hillary vs. McCain... the ABM would still vote for Hillary?

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    • 5 votes
    Reply#4 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 3:08 PM EST
    {"commentId":1434984,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

    Ryan 4.0- well that is a question that many conservatives are struggling with. Right now I'm ABM for my primary season......I am doing whatever I can however small that may be to defeat McCain and keep him from getting the nomination. Miracles can happen and sometimes the polls are wrong.

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    • 2 votes
    #4.1 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 3:25 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435175,"authorDomain":"Rigbee"}

    If McCain is the nominee come November, I'll be voting for everything except president. It's been decades since I didn't cast a presidential vote, but McCain's not worth the energy to remove a hanging chad.

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    • 1 vote
    #4.2 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 4:20 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435215,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
    McCain's not worth the energy to remove a hanging chad

    Rigbee - isn't sad? I've never seen a candidate that invokes such at the same time animosity from his base and indifference re: November.

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    • 3 votes
    #4.3 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 4:31 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435571,"authorDomain":"cuttyscomments"}

    I still don't know what I'm going to do in November, and I'm not just a Republican, I'm a county chairman! I haven't voted for a Democrat in my entire life, but today talk show host Tammy Bruce on Fox expressed what many conservatives are thinking: "If this country is being driven into a wall at 80 miles an hour, it might as well be by a real liberal as opposed to a fake conservative." Here's a link to the video on that, if you're interested.

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    • 3 votes
    #4.4 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 6:22 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435618,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

    Cutty:

    Coming from a fake liberal like Tammy Bruce, that's saying something.

    There's only one teeny weeny possible flaw in that analysis. What if the liberals don't drive the country into a wall at 80 mph?

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    • 5 votes
    #4.5 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 6:38 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435748,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
    . What if the liberals don't drive the country into a wall at 80 mph?

    Jack- I admire your optimism....really I do. But a dem in the WH and a dem majority? It will be a disaster (imho). My problem is I don't see much difference with McCain in the WH and a dem majority.....and I'd rather blame the dems in '12 than the pubs.

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    • 3 votes
    #4.6 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 7:34 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435778,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

    lisa:

    Oh please. I saw somebody else using that as an excuse to SUPPORT McCain, but in any event, it's just an exaggerated fear.

    What did the Dems get through the last time they had everything? NAFTA and the Family and Medical Leave Act. Whoopy ding.

    If the Dems can survive Bush, DeLay and Lott/Frist/McConnell, ysota can survive Pelosi, Reid and Obama or Clinton.

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    • 5 votes
    #4.7 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 7:46 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435835,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
    If the Dems can survive Bush, DeLay and Lott/Frist/McConnell, ysota can survive Pelosi, Reid and Obama or Clinton

    Jack - that is very true indeed - we survived 8 years of a Bill Clinton White House but we also had a very effective GOP majority for much of that time to keep me sane & before that majority a pretty darned effective minority. PS - I just heard McCain being the real guy that he is (the one we'd all like to have a beer with---note: sarcasm) watched the Super Bowl from the bar of his Boston hotel last night---(which one?) His campaign was probably looking for an easy photo op with the fans of the championship team----but the Giants had other idears.

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    • 2 votes
    #4.8 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:05 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435866,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

    lisa:

    Silly man. He's the damn Senator from ARIZONA, where the Super Bowl was played.

    McCain didn't mind scoring comp tickets to championship boxing matches in Las Vegas with his buddy Harry Reid, why the heck wasn't he at the Super Bowl?

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    • 2 votes
    #4.9 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:18 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435947,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

    No vote for either Hillary or McCain, I will take the consequences. At least I will have a President that I dislike. Bill wants another chance, he made big mistakes and he wants a legacy.

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    • 2 votes
    #4.10 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:43 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435961,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
    why the heck wasn't he at the Super Bowl?

    Jack 4.9-well when I heard this all I could think was he was trying to make Romney look bad in his home state. Both candidates are rushing to spend time in the all important state of California where Romney is uptrending:

    Will California Buy Time For Romney to Stay in the Race?

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    • 3 votes
    #4.11 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:47 PM EST
    {"commentId":1436000,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

    lisa:

    Rather than raising your hopes falsely with a prediction like I did last week, I just bought ten shares of Romney at 11 cents each.

    If he even survives tomorrow I should be able to double my money.

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    • 3 votes
    #4.12 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:59 PM EST
    {"commentId":1436145,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
    If he even survives tomorrow I should be able to double my money.

    Jack - keeping my fingers crossed....and saying my rosary for both of us!

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    • 2 votes
    #4.13 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 9:55 PM EST
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    {"commentId":1434959,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

    lisa,

    Heck I am feeling the same in November, let Evita or Obama to be President, so be it.

    I never ever understand the strategy of Florida, but reading back, Rudy and McCain sitting on/in a tree, kissing, their admiration go a long time ago.

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    • 3 votes
    Reply#5 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 3:17 PM EST
    {"commentId":1434972,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

    Mr Ryan, I will vote for Romney and if the Maverick is the nominee, my US Senators and Governor that announced their support (I imagine because McCain is a bully) when their time for reelection come....with the music of American Pie......Bye, bye.

    That will show our Congress that I am ready to ship out my own politicians.

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    • 3 votes
    Reply#6 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 3:22 PM EST
    {"commentId":1434993,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
    That will show our Congress that I am ready to ship out my own politicians

    Deter - yes, the republicans let the democrats take the majority back 06 because the republicans are ready willing and able to clean house when need be......the same very likely will hold true if McCain wins the nomination in 08.

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    • 1 vote
    #6.1 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 3:27 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435576,"authorDomain":"cuttyscomments"}

    Deter -

    Sen. Chambliss is up for reelection this year.

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    • 1 vote
    #6.2 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 6:24 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435956,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

    Exactly and the Senator Chambliss is warned already that he better find a good substitute.

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    • 2 votes
    #6.3 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:45 PM EST
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    {"commentId":1435105,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

    lisa:

    Since I'm famous for the inapt analogy, let me suggest one: Chile.

    When Allende won, which he did FAIR and SQUARE and within the previously established constitutiohnal provisions, btw, it was because the two right-of-center parties refused to coalesce as they each thought they could win the whole enchilada (?) without the help of the other. They thought they could construct the coalition from a position of superiority after the election rather than as partners.

    They were each sure they would win.

    Oooops. Reminds me of a football team I know, to add another inapt analogy.

    :^{)>

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    • 3 votes
    Reply#7 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 3:59 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435201,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

    Jack - If I understand what you're driving out here......then I guess I can take solace in knowing that Allende's term did not last even three years. It is up to the GOP right NOW to decide how our party will be defined going forward....and more importantly what the implications of that definition will be to the United States of America. The GOP is faltering under the divisions that I believe are not entirely but largely driven by John McCain himself, so if we are not able to win in November then that means republicans will have a lot of soul searching to do during the dems' one term shot at the white house...... PS - hope you didn't have too much riding on the game yesterday!? That really was a shocker indeed, and I hope the Patriots find some consolation in knowing they were a part of the best game in the history of Super Bowls!

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    • 2 votes
    #7.1 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 4:28 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435237,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

    lisa:

    You can be a right-winger all you want, but there's no "solace" in my analogy, because whatever else you might say about Allende's rule, it ended contra-constitutionally.

    If your party really is as divided as you think, it's actually MUCH better for you to lose in November. It's not just that reconciling those factions is more difficult when governing, but for McCain in particular, every compromise he makes with the Dem Congress will simply exacerbate the fractiousness.

    A lot riding yesterday? Just this great run Boston's on. Now we're back to curses of Bambinos for another 86 years. BUT ....

    It's a good omen politically. I can never seem to get my elections and my sports teams synched up so they both win in the same year. I might be a Mets fan come October!

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    • 4 votes
    #7.2 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 4:39 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435259,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

    "If your party really is as divided as you think, it's actually MUCH better for you to lose in November. It's not just that reconciling those factions is more difficult when governing, but for McCain in particular, every compromise he makes with the Dem Congress will simply exacerbate the fractiousness. "

    Jack - I tend to agree and didn't mean to imply I would support a coup d'etat if the dems win in November! PS I'd say despite what happened yesterday - your Boston sports teams have done very well for themselves this past year!

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    • 3 votes
    #7.3 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 4:43 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435303,"authorDomain":"nytimes-forum-refugees"}

    You conservatives won't support McCain if he is the GOP candidate, that could mean the we could have a socialist, Obama or a liberal, Hillary in the WH.

    That makes no sense.

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    • 1 vote
    #7.4 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 4:55 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435381,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

    George - it's a question of how can you in good conscience ever vote for a man (or woman) who you despise???? I don't know if I can do it. I'm saying now that I can't.

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    • 2 votes
    #7.5 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 5:16 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435472,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

    lisa:

    A more apt analogy is the Labor governments in Britain immediately preceding Thatcher. They'd come together grudgingly to eke out an election, then kill each other in government until finally the electorate said "Get out and stay out until you get your act together."

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    • 3 votes
    #7.6 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 5:49 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435785,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
    A more apt analogy is the Labor governments in Britain immediately preceding Thatcher. They'd come together grudgingly to eke out an election, then kill each other in government until finally the electorate said "Get out and stay out until you get your act together."

    Jack - now I like that analogy....and I have to say I am motivated by my fear that could happen to the GOP with McCain at the helm for 4 years......united we stand divided we fall.....may be cliche - but it is true. For all the criticism some pubs have for GWB - he was a great candidate because he managed to hold our coalition together.....for 2 terms....and as we see right now---that now in hindsight seems nothing short of miraculous.

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    • 2 votes
    #7.7 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 7:47 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435820,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

    lisa:

    Er, ..... the fractiouness is a good part Bush's doing. Nevermind the economic private sector types vs. Evangelical, just split off those hard-core Libertarian Ron Paul types from the GOP coalition in either of the last two elections and your majority is below 50%, even if the Paulites are only 4% of the electorate.

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    • 4 votes
    #7.8 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 7:59 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435852,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
    the fractiouness is a good part Bush's doing.

    Jack - I agree that the President is partially to blame. My earlier seed about "How McCain Won" in Florida from Real Clear Politics indeed pointed the finger at President Bush. My point here is that as a candidate GWB held the fiscal and evangelical conservatives together----something not one of our candidates seem able to do this go round. PS - do you think Ron Paul will go third party?

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    • 2 votes
    #7.9 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:12 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435889,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

    lisa:

    LAUGH. I've had this argument in the opposite direction with some of the Paulines.

    The answer is No. Ron Paul may be a lunatic who thinks 21st century America can be governed with the ideas and institutions of Colonial America, but he's smart. He understands that you take the basket of issues you care about and weigh it against the baskets of priorities of the two parties and you pick the one that best (or most) overlaps yours. For him, that's the Republicans. Always has been. In the unlikely event that he weights things differently enough that he has more in common with the Dems, I expect he'd simply endorse the Democrat.

    But I find that exceedingly unlikely.

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    • 4 votes
    #7.10 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:27 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435919,"authorDomain":"rkurtz57"}

    I think Paul's going to try again for his congress run if he doesn't go for an independent bid, and endorse the libertarian candidate, if anyone at all.

    Oh, and I must throw in that he's not a lunatic, but I'm sure you saw that one coming.

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    • 2 votes
    #7.11 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:36 PM EST
    {"commentId":1436006,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

    mee:

    Look. I said he was smart, that should hold you for now.

    :^{)>

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    • 2 votes
    #7.12 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 9:01 PM EST
    {"commentId":1436011,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

    Jack - I agree with your assessment on Ron Paul---no third party run for him.

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    • 2 votes
    #7.13 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 9:03 PM EST
    {"commentId":1443467,"authorDomain":"rkurtz57"}
    Look. I said he was smart, that should hold you for now

    Must... defend... ron paul....

    AAAAAHHHH... the urge is overwhelming. It's because of the brainwash training at the Paul Army Boot Camp.

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    • 2 votes
    #7.14 - Wed Feb 6, 2008 11:50 PM EST
    Reply
    {"commentId":1435499,"authorDomain":"littleeif"}

    If Romney loses the nomination as seems likely at this point it is time for conservatives to acknowledge the Republican Party has lost its soul. Republicans held Congress and the Presidency and grew government. We were unable to coalesce on issues as basic as Presidential appointments and as complex as immigration. We then lost Congress and went for rapprochement with the Democrats on the war. We are on the brink of nominating the one individual principally responsible for the anti-conservative drag in the Senate to lead the party. Social conservatives should not relax with the failure of Giuliani; can the removal of Right to Life from the party platform be far behind? Democrats, conversely, confronted with the loss of the Presidency and the Congress, impossibly tacked left and drawing on the wealth and committment of its base have regained one and are poised to regain the other. Are we daft?

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    • 2 votes
    Reply#8 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 5:55 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435534,"authorDomain":"PurelyPolitical"}

    lisa,

    Well written. I linked it up on my blog.

    Mike needs to drop out, but his refusal to makes one wonder if a deal has been struck.

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    • 1 vote
    Reply#9 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 6:08 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435594,"authorDomain":"nytimes-forum-refugees"}

    He's a religious fanatic.

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    • 1 vote
    #9.1 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 6:29 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435752,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
    Well written. I linked it up on my blog.

    Bodhi - thanks for stopping in and I thank you for your support!

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    • 1 vote
    #9.2 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 7:36 PM EST
    Reply
    {"commentId":1435654,"authorDomain":"mrgeniussir"}

    Lisaed-you go girl!

    I'm an independent. Now that Rudy's out, McCain and Hillary are probably closest to my political views, but I don't like either of them. They both seem like they don't ever open their mouths before checking the latest poll numbers.

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    • 3 votes
    Reply#10 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 6:58 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435767,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

    King -10.0 - I don't see a great deal of difference between Hillary and McCain and when republicans cannot differentiate themselves from democrats we cannot win. I was watching Special Report tonight and Fred Barnes made a comment that it took conservatives too long to find Romney.....I hope he isn't right----but there very well may be something to that. I'm praying the rosary tonight for Romney---I hear he is doing quite well in Georgia and California.

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    • 4 votes
    #10.1 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 7:40 PM EST
    {"commentId":1436502,"authorDomain":"mrgeniussir"}

    Romney vs. Obama...that would be a good fight!

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    • 2 votes
    #10.2 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 12:46 AM EST
    {"commentId":1436530,"authorDomain":"rkurtz57"}

    I don't think Romney would have a chance, I'm sorry. But the Democrats are turning out in larger numbers than the republicans. And even the republicans seem to be favoring McCain.

    If Romney flip-flops after getting the nomination, to appear more moderate again, he could win the election, but risk infuriating his party.

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    • 2 votes
    #10.3 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 1:03 AM EST
    {"commentId":1436807,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

    mee

    Mitt knows that he will be accountable for every promise and read the latest Polls if you believe in them.

    Don't believe that we the Republicans don't know what we are doing, I will go and vote for Romney in few hours.

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    • 3 votes
    #10.4 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 6:41 AM EST
    {"commentId":1437398,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
    Don't believe that we the Republicans don't know what we are doing, I will go and vote for Romney in few hours.

    Deter - you go, girl! It is so important that conservative voters KEEP THE FAITH - just like we Giants fans did last Sunday.....

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    • 3 votes
    #10.5 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 11:07 AM EST
    {"commentId":1437814,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

    I can live w/my decision of not voting for McCain in November.

    I vote for a President that I can defend and not for "winning".

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    • 3 votes
    #10.6 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 12:51 PM EST
    {"commentId":1438780,"authorDomain":"rkurtz57"}

    Like I said, I don't care about Mitt's religion, previous policies and I admire some of economic conservatism. However, you still couldn't pay me to vote for him. And I still don't see him winning the election... probably not even against Hillary.

    It would depend on whether Bloomberg entered as a third party candidate.

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    • 1 vote
    #10.7 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 4:52 PM EST
    Reply
    {"commentId":1435872,"authorDomain":"O-K"}

    McCain has one advantage for republicans. He has the best chance to defeat Obama or Clinton.

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    • 3 votes
    Reply#11 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:20 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435892,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

    O.K.:

    Fact not in evidence.

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    • 4 votes
    #11.1 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:28 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435896,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
    He (McCain) has the best chance to defeat Obama or Clinton

    OK - 11.0 - The polls are not always right and it's difficult for people to imagine what they will actually do when they walk into the voting booth nine months from now in November and have to really and truly vote for the next President of the United States & the next commander-in-chief. Polls said Romney wouldn't be able to beat Hillary or Obama ---I don't buy that. I may never be given the chance to prove otherwise....but in my heart of hearts---if Romney could win the nomination I do believe he could give the dems a run for their money in November because I believe Romney would have a better chance of holding the pubs together than John McCain could ever hope to have.

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    • 3 votes
    #11.2 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:28 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435898,"authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}

    McCain-Lieberman -- now there's a ticket.

    Lieberman sez the Democrats are lost. He's correct.

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    • 2 votes
    #11.3 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:29 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435921,"authorDomain":"rkurtz57"}

    That would kill the conservatives... My guess is going to go for Huck for the VP so he doesn't lose the evangelicals. Who'll probably stay home if McCain wins.

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    • 2 votes
    #11.4 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:37 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435945,"authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}

    Those who stay home from elections diminish their voice and abrogate their duty.

    I wouldn't mind seeing McCain taking the moderate base from the Democrat leadership because, after all, the moderates have been abandoned.

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    • 2 votes
    #11.5 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:43 PM EST
    {"commentId":1436020,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
    My guess is going to go for Huck for the VP

    Mee: I agree that McCain has promised something to Huckabee in a future administration.....but if it's VP imho that would be an enormous mistake.

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    • 3 votes
    #11.6 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 9:06 PM EST
    {"commentId":1436035,"authorDomain":"mmhuffaker"}

    This should make you smile.:) Hope you don't mind all these links. I'm just doing a basic search and there's such great stuff that no one has seeded here that I think you and det and Cutty and Scott would really enjoy. :P

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    • 2 votes
    #11.7 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 9:11 PM EST
    {"commentId":1436070,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

    How, having a TTT like Lazio and let the men sorry for the lady?

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    • 1 vote
    #11.8 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 9:23 PM EST
    Reply
    {"commentId":1435928,"authorDomain":"O-K"}

    McCain will draw in more independents and some conservative democrats. The more conservative republicans would not want Obama or Clinton as president so they would old their nose and vote McCain.
    If McCain could run with Lieberman I think they would be favored.

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    • 5 votes
    Reply#12 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:39 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435954,"authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}

    Looks like we're thinking alike, OK.

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    • 3 votes
    #12.1 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:45 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435997,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

    OK and Mee - for all intents & purposes John McCain is an independent candidate running for the GOP nomination - put Lieberman on the ticket ---you seal the deal - an independent ticket lock stock and barrel. Needless to say - I could not support that personally. If McCain manages to win the nomination - he is going to have to reach out to conservatives in some meaningful way if he has any chance whatsoever of winning in november---and putting lieberman on the ticket ain't gonna cut it.....as much as we pubs think lieberman is way cool----for a dem (okay okay--I know he isn't a dem anymore but you know what I mean) that is.

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    • 2 votes
    #12.2 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:59 PM EST
    {"commentId":1436021,"authorDomain":"rkurtz57"}

    I don't know... I think Bloomberg, as a conservative type democrat could give McCain a run for his money. It would certainly split the independents.

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    • 1 vote
    #12.3 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 9:06 PM EST
    {"commentId":1436027,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

    Mee - I disagree---I don't think Bloomberg is going to come in third party particularly if McCain gets the nomination. There is not enough difference between them....they are both independents operating under the mantle of the GOP.

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    • 2 votes
    #12.4 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 9:09 PM EST
    {"commentId":1436393,"authorDomain":"rkurtz57"}

    Ah, we actually do agree. What I meant to say is that if Bloomberg were to enter the race, he would split the moderate vote with McCain, and neither of them would probably win.

    So, I too doubt Bloomberg would enter the race upon a McCain nomination.

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    • 1 vote
    #12.5 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 11:35 PM EST
    Reply
    {"commentId":1435955,"authorDomain":"mmhuffaker"}

    Found a great website and article by Hugh Hewitt.

    He wrote a book about Romney, investigated every charge, ect. and became a solid Romney supporter. Thinks he's more impressive and qualified for the Presidency than Reagan, who Hewitt worked with. I think that's saying something. This guy lives in Calif. and is voting Romney. I don't know about official endorsements, but we'll see if he does it and if he has enough clout. He's interviewed Shwarzenegger several times and is widely read.

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    • 3 votes
    Reply#13 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:45 PM EST
    {"commentId":1435981,"authorDomain":"mmhuffaker"}

    Lisa,

    This, too, might cheer you up a bit.

    Looks like Romney's doing pretty good in Calif. according to the Rasmussen reports.

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    • 1 vote
    #13.1 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:52 PM EST
    {"commentId":1436061,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

    Megan-11.7--no need to apologize- I find your enthusiasm for Romney to be very refreshing and all of these links are encouraging indeed!

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    • 2 votes
    #13.2 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 9:19 PM EST
    {"commentId":1436306,"authorDomain":"polecolaw"}

    I don't know why you find Romney so attractive as a candidate. His "positions" have changed as much as or more than Clinton's. When I listen to him speaking I never get the impression he really believes what he is saying, or perhaps believes in it. And just because he has been in the business community does not mean he will be good at running economic policy, unless you want it run for one class of people only. We have already had 8 years of that. I just don't see it. Enlighten me?

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    • 6 votes
    #13.3 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 10:57 PM EST
    {"commentId":1436392,"authorDomain":"mmhuffaker"}

    poleclaw, you can look into my column if you want to learn about Romney. There is also a very good book out called "A Mormon In The White House?" by Hugh Hewitt who has worked in politics for several years and has come out of writing this book on the effect of Romney's religion on his political viability convinced that Romney is a better candidate than even Reagan was. You might want to look into it if you want to know what all the buzz is about.

    Briefly, I'll say this. In preparing for the possibility of running for President, Romney read several books on Iraq, Iran, and the middle east and the problems we are having as well as reasons for the war there. He also visited Iraq, Iran, Afgahnistan, and other countries to learn those things he couldn't read in the books. He has more than done his research, and knows as much or more than McCain on the subject. However, he is reticent due to his lack of military service and, I assume, not wanting to seem as if he discounts McCain's obvious long term experience. However, he is more prepared than we realize or would even imagine. I invite you to read his website and to read McCain's and tell me who you think has the better plan - or even a plan at all - for succeeding in Iraq. McCain's claim that Romney supported a timetable for withdrawal was laughable if you know the real Romney and his real history. He isn't good at getting it over on television, but he's the real thing.

    His position changes have been exagerrated. He has changed on a few things over the past 14 years in politics. But who hasn't. He has been very upfront about those changes as well. And they are sensible and reasonable and his voting record supports his current stands.

    And as for his ability to translate business to running the economy, his business, education, Olympics, and government experience all showed the same thing - he is brilliant and able to take on incredibly complicated challenges - and he has been extremely successful at everything he has been able to do. Show me another candidate who sailed through Harvard business AND law schools, was successful in instigating state-wide health insurance coverage that worked, and has the record for success that Romney has with everything he's done. I have no doubt that he would move this country in the right direction. That he would solve major problems in this country like immigration reform, military increases, etc. He's the only one with a plan!

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    • 3 votes
    #13.4 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 11:35 PM EST
    {"commentId":1436396,"authorDomain":"rkurtz57"}

    Which is too bad, actually. If Romney did support a time table for withdrawal, I'd be much more inclined to support him.

    I don't care about his policy changes... I do care about decreasing foreign military spending. Which, for all his business success, Romney doesn't seem to realize.

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      #13.5 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 11:37 PM EST
      {"commentId":1436424,"authorDomain":"mmhuffaker"}

      mee,

      Have you considered the possibility that, with all of his research, travel, and experience, it is you who is not realizing something? I personally invite you to read his website and see if you learn anything new.

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      • 3 votes
      #13.6 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 11:49 PM EST
      {"commentId":1436447,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

      polecolaw: Well ---despite Huckabee---for me this is now a 2-man race for the GOP nomination. My position against McCain is in line with those conservatives in my party who feel nothing but disdain for mccain. I've listed my grievances many times before and they are what you would expect: wrong on immigration, taxes, weak on the economy, only mostly right on the war, McCain Feingold, global warming, gang of 14 the list goes on and on. Romney's platform is closest to a conservative agenda and so I have embraced Mitt Romney as the candidate that most closely mirrors my own values and positions. I will vote my conscience tomorrow on Super Tuesday and vote for Romney. There are many republicans who feel they must vote for McCain based solely on unreliable national polls that indicate only Mccain can beat hillary or obama. I pay little attention to those national polls at this stage of the game with still 9 mos to go. I must vote according to my own conscience and not according to what the polls, the media, or John McCain's mother tell me to do......I polled newsvine on the issue of "vote my conscience" vs. "electability" in my "I Heart Huckabee.....Not!" article. Stop on by if you have time:

      a/lisaed.newsvine.com/_news/2008/01/03/1201239-i-heart-huckabeenot"">I Heart Huckabee....NOT!"

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      • 3 votes
      #13.7 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 12:06 AM EST
      {"commentId":1436454,"authorDomain":"rkurtz57"}
      it is you who is not realizing something?

      I'm not impressed with someone who has traveled to Iraq and saw only want he wanted and expected to see.

      I am impressed by a candidate who gets the most donations from military members... you know people who are actually fighting and not just site-seeing. I think we know the candidate which I am refering to.

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      • 3 votes
      #13.8 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 12:11 AM EST
      {"commentId":1436463,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

      PS-Polecolaw 13.7-- Trying that link again.....didn't work the first time.....2nd time the charm?

      I Heart Huckabee.....Not!!!"

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      • 2 votes
      #13.9 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 12:19 AM EST
      {"commentId":1436819,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

      mee

      Supporting a time table withdraw and telling the month/day/hour/secounds that our enemies are ready like Obama and Hillary did on TV in their last debate?

      If are you playing chess do you thell the oponent how to move his Rock to beat you?

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      • 3 votes
      #13.10 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 6:49 AM EST
      {"commentId":1436983,"authorDomain":"polecolaw"}

      When I pick a candidate based on my conscience I don't come up with Romney. Romney may be brilliant but that doesn't mean he has any concept of how the 99.9% of the people in this country he never encounters (like those who ride mass transit every day) feel or the challenges they face day in and day out. We have had 7 years of the son of privilege in the White House and I personally think it has done more damage to the country than any administration in my lifetime. I know there is a difference between Romney and Bush, but there is also one glaring similarity - they both come from privilege and are not in tune with the vast majority of the population. I don't take away from Romney that he made lots of money, but that's not the point, and if he grew up in some of the neighborhoods we don't like to find ourselves in late at night he may have grown up to be the smartest one in the street gang.

      On the one hand many on the right speak about this Nanny-State crap referring to the Democrats, yet are willing to put into office a person who is completely out of touch with the vast majority of us and trust he will somehow run the country in a way that will benefit us. I wonder, do you really buy into his tax cut promises? If you do, then how do you plan to pay for the wars? Medical expenses for seniors? And don't just say cut expenses, because we all want to do that.

      The simple and hard truth is that since Reagan began cutting taxes the national debt has increased every year (except you know when) and now threatens our ability to keep the promises made to seniors and the rest of us. If you don't need SS, good for you, but many of us have been paying into the fund for 30 years and are now looking at Republican candidates who want to cut benefits so they can maintain tax cuts for the those who don't need social security rather than repaying what has been borrowed from the trust fund (like that name - "trust" fund). That is ripping me off so the wealthiest need not pay for the wars we are fighting as they always have throughout our history. I guess the current generation of wealthy Americans are special? They deserve to have the wars fought and paid for with my Social Security benefits? How can this be justified? How can you support a candidate who thinks this is fair? How can he think it is fair? Because he has absolutely no idea what it is like to be one of the 99% of working Americans who are actually looking to Social Security to help them retire.

      If you want to continue along the path of a very divided country elect Mitt Romney because that's what you will get.

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      • 4 votes
      #13.11 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 8:41 AM EST
      {"commentId":1437049,"authorDomain":"mmhuffaker"}

      Romney has said over and over that he will not cut social security benefits for those who have been paying into it and who are counting on it. Over. and. over. I suggest you listen to him and not just assume that he agrees with everything that Bush says. Yes, he wants to streamline entitlements. Yes, it is 60-70% of our national budget. That is the place that has got to change if we are to relieve our national debt and balance the budget. But he's not planning on using those savings to fund the war. He is planning on making changes for the better - to cut wasteful spending. Maybe he will cut deals with insurance agencies. He doesn't see these things like you and me. He has the education, experience, and skills to see that there are things that can be done that won't affect our bottom line.

      I don't think he will divide the country at all. McCain has cut the Rep. party like a knife! He will alienate many more when in power. People may think he's a good in-betweener, but just wait until he's disagreed with. He's gonna bet burly and if you think Bush was bad about caring what the people wanted, wait until McCain is in power.

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      • 3 votes
      #13.12 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 9:12 AM EST
      {"commentId":1437391,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

      polecolaw - 13.11 - I feel more comfortable that my social security benefits will be protected with a republican in the White House than a democrat. You are concerned about how republicans are going to pay for a war and I am concerned about democrats are going to pay for the BIGGEST expansion in federal government ever......(even worse than Bush).

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      • 3 votes
      #13.13 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 11:04 AM EST
      {"commentId":1437821,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

      Mr. polecolaw.

      Oh, please. Does Gore and Kerry ring the bell and now the clan of Kennedy on TV endorsing Obama?

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      • 2 votes
      #13.14 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 12:53 PM EST
      {"commentId":1438213,"authorDomain":"polecolaw"}

      Lisaed - @13.13

      Don't get too comfortable. Bush's current budget calling for a $200 billion reduction in Medicare benefits is only the very first step.

      determined - I'm sorry but I don't get your point.

      M-T-P So what exactly is going to get cut? Is he planning to reduce the military? Is he planning to cut health care spending? Welfare is only a small part of the total so that will not do it. Interest alone is approaching $500 billion a year, and you can't cut that. If he wins I will be very interested in exactly how he squeezes blood from a rock in order to get more tax cuts without breaking promises to those who have paid in for so many years. I will believe that Romney has a magic bullet when I see it. Until then he's just like every other politician saying what people want to hear.

      The bottom line is that to pass for a "true conservative" today means eliminating as many transfer payments as possible and cutting taxes, even at the expense of promises broken to generations of Americans. It is the undoing of the Great Society we so proudly achieved in the 1960s as we replace tolerance and caring with intolerance and greed. I is truly very sad.

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      • 2 votes
      #13.15 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 2:40 PM EST
      {"commentId":1438796,"authorDomain":"rkurtz57"}

      @ determined :

      If are you playing chess do you thell the oponent how to move his Rock to beat you?

      You're assuming that I care whether or not we "win."

      Especially when we're playing a game I don't think we can win, losing troops unnecessarily for a cause I don't believe in, to resolve a problem that I don't think we can fix.

      So, in this case, I don't consider withdrawing from the game board a "loss."

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      • 1 vote
      #13.16 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 4:56 PM EST
      {"commentId":1438932,"authorDomain":"mmhuffaker"}

      Poleclaw 13.15

      From Romney's website:

      Bring Fiscal Discipline And Strong Management To Washington

      Establish Strict Spending Limits. Veto domestic nondefense discretionary appropriations that increase spending by more than inflation minus one percent.

      Conduct Stem-To-Stern Review. Re-examine and evaluate all federal spending programs to identify waste, duplication, and inefficiencies that can be eliminated.

      Reform Entitlements. In a forthright and bipartisan manner, as President, Governor Romney will work with Congress to address the looming budget crisis caused by increasing entitlement spending.

      Institute The Line-Item Veto. Give the President the same power held by most state governors, to veto individual elements of a spending bill and strip out unnecessary spending.

      Give President Flexibility. Authorize the Executive Branch to spend up to 25 percent less than Congress appropriates for a given project or agency.

      Restore Supermajority Requirement. Impose congressional rule requiring a three-fifths (60%) supermajority to pass any law that would raise taxes.

      Not having full access and not having authority to get things figured out, he obviously doesn't have a specific plan for the entitlement reforms. Though he has stressed sevearl times that social security benefits for those who have been paying in and who are relying on it for retirement will not be changed or touched.

      Does this answer your question? He also talks about cutting the pork barrel projects, as McCain talks about incessantly, but that will really help very little. More of a plan is needed and entitlements reform (which is more than social security) really does need to be looked at when it is 70% of our national budget.

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      • 3 votes
      #13.17 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 5:27 PM EST
      {"commentId":1438997,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

      mee,

      Politicians lie because one game is when they are out of the WH and another when they are in.

      You missed. my point.

      Obama and Hillary are missleading the families of our troops that they are going to get home our men and women in the uniform. At the same time both are giving timetable to our enemies on TV in their debate, all rotten baloney.

      This is what I meant in my previous post to you..

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      • 3 votes
      #13.18 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 5:47 PM EST
      {"commentId":1439086,"authorDomain":"rkurtz57"}

      I agree with you about Obama and Clinton... and that's why I'm not voting for either one of them.

      I don't think I understand your point about time tables then. I support a time table, if it's a short one. I don't want to be in iraq for the next 100 years. I don't want to be there fore the next 100 weeks. I could live with the next 100 days, I think.

      How is telling insurgents that we're leaving going to hurt our troops?

      If we leave Iraq, our people won't be there to hurt. Beef up boarder security like hell, of course. But, otherwise, I don't see what you're so afraid of.

      {"commentId":1439086,"threadId":"213879","contentId":"1277427","authorDomain":"rkurtz57"}
      • 1 vote
      #13.19 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 6:14 PM EST
      {"commentId":1439150,"authorDomain":"polecolaw"}

      M-T-P
      Thanks for the effort, I really do appreciate it. But I'm still not biting.

      Reforming entitlements is code for reducing benefits. We have a health care issue facing us, and that is an issue, but I will bet you that he includes SS as part of any "reform" (read benefit cut). SS is in surplus and expected to stay that way for a long time, and it is funded through payroll deductions, not income taxes. The looming crises is caused by two things: increasing expenses for health care and decreasing tax revenue through tax cuts. Notice how he only mentions one side of the issue - expenses.

      Giving the President a line item veto is a power grab, and I don't like it. Why amend the constitution for this guy? Why require a super majority to raise taxes? Why not to cut them, too? How about a referendum to increase any benefits to congressional representatives? Why slant the game in one direction and not the other? I'm already uncomfortable when someone campaigns on changing the rules in his favor rather than working within the rules we have for so long. Creepy.

      It's funny, but when I read these words I get a different understanding of what they mean. Here's another example: lets not reduce SS benefits for people who have paid in and rely on it. What does that mean? Does that mean if I forgoe consumption today (unlike most) and save for retirement that I give up my SS even though i have paid in all these years because i may retire with some cash saved up? What does "those who rely on it" mean? Is there some income threshold involved? Rely on it when, now? Within the next 10 years? For a party that always complains about incentives for people to work it sounds like this would be one big incentive not to.

      WARNING - RANT
      By the way, entitlements are only 70% of the budget if you include payroll deductions and related distributions from SS and Medicare and Medicaid (which has nothing to do with payroll deductions). Income taxes are the minorty in that pool of funds that gets moved around. In fact, SS had a surplus in 2006 (most recent year i did) of about $187 billion that congress immediately borrowed. So it is not "income taxes" that pays for the majority of these programs, it is payroll deductions that pays for SS and Medicare Part A. Parts B & D are funded through general revenue and premiums paid by insureds. The reason this is suddenly a crises is because health care expenses are now about to overtake payroll deductions for Part A and any deficit must be covered from general revenue - i.e. income taxes. This is why the Republicans have gotten on the health care reform bandwagon. Can't raise taxes, better cut health care benefits to seniors (just like Bush is proposing in his current budget). Here are the numbers from the 2006 budget:

      Outgoing:
      All medical payments including medicare, medicaid, and even discretionary health ($56 B):
      $583 billion.
      All SS payments:
      $544 billion
      Total:
      $1,127 billion
      Incoming:
      Payroll deduction, premiums, & interest on medicare fund:
      $226 billion
      Payroll deductions, taxes on benefits, and interest on SS fund:
      $732 billion
      Total:
      $958 billion
      Difference between out and in funded through general revenue (income taxes):
      $169 BILLION, OR 10.07% OF INCOME TAXES, which is just under the medicaid portion of health expenses. If you seperate out Medicaid there was no net funding to these programs from income taxes (hey, if the government can use this accounting so can I).

      I bet when most people hear that entitlements are 70% of the budget they think it represents 70% of their income taxes. Nope! Closer to 10%. You would think a person as brilliant as Romney would find it easy to make that point clear to people.

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      • 2 votes
      #13.20 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 6:28 PM EST
      {"commentId":1439290,"authorDomain":"mmhuffaker"}
      bet when most people hear that entitlements are 70% of the budget they think it represents 70% of their income taxes. Nope! Closer to 10%. You would think a person as brilliant as Romney would find it easy to make that point clear to people

      Don't have time to respond to everything right now but will say this - I was never under the impression that entitlements were 70% of taxes. He never gave me that impression. It's 70% of national budget. And I'll say one more time, he says he won't tough social security. And since he's the only one who's said that, and since he is the only one with an actual plan for healthcare that makes any sense (see OK's article on how much is a person worth), I tend to beleive he is the best choice and not just avoiding the issue because he knows an answer would kill his campaign as I suspect McCain is feeling.

      Also, I am no fiscal expert, but Romney turned around business after business, the Olympics and a state. I believe he can get the job done as he says he will.

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      • 3 votes
      #13.21 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 7:21 PM EST
      {"commentId":1439868,"authorDomain":"polecolaw"}

      Romney isn't the only one. None of the candidates explain any of this. I think they want to keep their sales pitch options open for when they need it. Obama has talked about SS being in trouble. Hillary is the only one who has said it needs to be looked at but she hasn't been calling it bankrupt or in serious trouble like many of the others on both sides.

      Looks like Romney's having a tough night - sorry.

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        #13.22 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 11:04 PM EST
        {"commentId":1439940,"authorDomain":"mmhuffaker"}

        *sigh*

        Thanks. I'm so bummed.

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        • 1 vote
        #13.23 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 11:38 PM EST
        {"commentId":1439970,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

        meg,

        I am in my second cup of chamomile tea.

        Anyway, hopes only die with the death and three friends died in less than 48 hrs.

        Romney will win the next time in 2012.

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        • 2 votes
        #13.24 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 11:49 PM EST
        {"commentId":1439982,"authorDomain":"mmhuffaker"}

        I agree. Either that or he will have to come in and save the US when whoever is elected messes up so bad that they are impeached...

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        • 2 votes
        #13.25 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 11:56 PM EST
        Reply
        {"commentId":1436475,"authorDomain":"taduncombe"}

        obama vs mccain 08... music to my ears, not because obama has a great shot, but because mccain does not represent the tyranny of the past 7 years.... the US in its fragile state could indeed survive with him as president... but obama is the only candidate that can unite the country so we can all begin to fight the uphill battle that now faces us...

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        • 6 votes
        Reply#14 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 12:30 AM EST
        {"commentId":1436828,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

        Tyranny?

        do you know what's to live in one?

        Maybe you are prisoner of your own thoughts and person.

        That you can post Tyranny just alone is freedom.

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        • 3 votes
        #14.1 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 6:54 AM EST
        {"commentId":1437686,"authorDomain":"taduncombe"}

        I'm not calling bush a dictator so much as refereeing to his obscene misuse of power in the last 7 years... his administrations partisan actions (2 of many incidents being the scooter libby incident or the firing of federal lawyers) has damaged the US government.

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        • 1 vote
        #14.2 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 12:22 PM EST
        {"commentId":1438258,"authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}

        Obama is the only candidate who can unite? Give me a break. He accepted endorsements from Kennedy and moveon.org. He is not what he professes to be.

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        • 3 votes
        #14.3 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 2:51 PM EST
        {"commentId":1438466,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
        He (obama) is not what he professes to be.

        Roads - I agree - it's just that he is so good at professing it.

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        • 3 votes
        #14.4 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 3:37 PM EST
        {"commentId":1438491,"authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}

        Yes, he is adept at deception. We can only hope the sensible moderate base recognizes it in time.

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        • 3 votes
        #14.5 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 3:42 PM EST
        {"commentId":1438591,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

        'roads:

        Why? So they can elect some quasi-fascist right-winger of the sort you think is "moderate?"

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        • 3 votes
        #14.6 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 4:06 PM EST
        {"commentId":1438839,"authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}

        You channeling Eric again?

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        • 2 votes
        #14.7 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 5:07 PM EST
        {"commentId":1439538,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

        skitodd

        Inmoral that the big talkers and columnist were "pardoned" by Fitzgeral.

        Tell me how bad you will be feeling when all the US Attorneys are going to be fired on 1/21/09 by orders of Clinton II like her husband did, she already was quoted.

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        • 2 votes
        #14.8 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 8:58 PM EST
        {"commentId":1439651,"authorDomain":"taduncombe"}

        how about you supply the link for that piece of news determined0a1....

        (if its a rush, bill-o or ann i will consider it satire...)

        The partisan politics of this administration have been UNMATCHED BY ANY other admin... yes i'm including nixon and yes i'm including bill...

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        • 1 vote
        #14.9 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 9:53 PM EST
        {"commentId":1444081,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

        Seems that you haven't listen the way that McCain talk to us conservatives, it's like marching orders, well, it's not like that. I have to respect my President, any denomination. Therefore, I can live that I did not give him my vote.

        McCain is a lose cannon. Humble is not found in his dictionary.

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        • 3 votes
        #14.10 - Thu Feb 7, 2008 8:23 AM EST
        Reply
        {"commentId":1436614,"authorDomain":"goodcontent"}
        Gabe MarsDeleted
        {"commentId":1437311,"authorDomain":"epiphany-sorbet"}
        Mr. Giuliani, can I call you Rudy? You endorsed John McCain that very next day after Florida. Shame on you-- shame on you Rudy for endorsing McCain before Super Tuesday with Arnold Schwarzenegger following right on your heels.

        Birds of a feather . . .

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        • 2 votes
        Reply#16 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 10:39 AM EST
        {"commentId":1437382,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

        Epi - yes, all these liberal republicans coalescing around John McCain has been very distressing to me indeed. I'm still hoping against hope that Romney can take California and Georgia and stay in this race IF the conservatives get out there and vote for him today......

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        • 2 votes
        #16.1 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 11:00 AM EST
        {"commentId":1437828,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

        lisa,

        We know the next time when a candidate anchors his burundongo in a State what means. Thanks Rudy. We are learning.......

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        • 2 votes
        #16.2 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 12:54 PM EST
        {"commentId":1438241,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

        "We know the next time when a candidate anchors his burundongo in a State what means. Thanks Rudy. We are learning......."

        Deter - 16.2-yes - we are learning the hard way for sure.....keep us posted on how Mitt's doing in your neck of the woods!

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        • 1 vote
        #16.3 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 2:47 PM EST
        Reply
        {"commentId":1437712,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

        Here is another interesting take on how McCain earned his troubling "frontrunner" status going into today's Super Tuesday from Real Clear Politics:

        On McCain's Voting Coalition

        Jack - the bottom line of this analysis is that your ABM strategy may have taken too long to catch on with conservative voters

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        • 2 votes
        Reply#17 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 12:27 PM EST
        {"commentId":1437850,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

        lisa,

        Is possible that all those US Senators are "endorsing" McCain and voting for Mitt Romney because they are "afraid" of dealing w/him lately in the Congress

        I suspect that this is what's happening because I can't believe the fast upgrading of the Romney's wagon in California and GA.

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        • 3 votes
        #17.1 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 12:57 PM EST
        {"commentId":1438309,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

        "Is possible that all those US Senators are "endorsing" McCain and voting for Mitt Romney because they are "afraid" of dealing w/him lately in the Congress"

        Deter 17.1- I would love to think that is why for example that Bob Dole has come out for McCain.....but I'm kinda thinking there is also some sense among SOME pubs that it's McCain's turn.....

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        • 1 vote
        #17.2 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 3:02 PM EST
        {"commentId":1438946,"authorDomain":"mmhuffaker"}

        It's like Romney said - it's just passing the torch to the next most entrenched candidate, despite his stands. Is our party really that much of a good ol' boy's club?

        Doh!

        {"commentId":1438946,"threadId":"213879","contentId":"1277427","authorDomain":"mmhuffaker"}
          #17.3 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 5:30 PM EST
          Reply
          {"commentId":1438205,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

          lisa:

          Oh Lord, I gave you folks almost ten days, didn't I? Took 'til just yesterday or so for Richard Viguerie to figure out the advice I've been giving you righties all along:

          Open Convention.

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          • 2 votes
          Reply#18 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 2:38 PM EST
          {"commentId":1438465,"authorDomain":"ffeineandsugar"}

          Lisa:

          Oy. Where to begin? Huckabee is not a straight conservative - he is a populist, a la 1890 or so, cut from the same cloth as William Jennings Bryant. And he is the only Republican candidate remaining that I might cross party lines to vote for. Those who make him out to be a simpleton are fools in their own right.

          Romney: TOXIC TOXIC TOXIC. How can you call this man a conservative (unless you're parrotting Limbaugh?) His positions have more flip flops than a West Florida beach, and more waffles than an IHOP. He comes from a straight business background, and might be able to do something good for the economy, but I don't see any spine there.

          McCain: His temper is bad, but overstated. He has shown remorse when it gets the better of him, which gives me some encouragement. I'm not quite sure why he's not a conservative, when he has an ACU score in the 80s (somebody fact check me on this - my memory is frail). Why can't conservatives support him? Oh, that's right. Because he's not a neocon, and thinks the Constitution actually matters. Sorry if I dare thumb my nose at the Cheney-Bush axis. His proposals got more done in Congress than would otherwise have occured. And unless you're a Paulite, that's probably a good thing for the conservatives.

          I'll wait it out here in Maryland until next week. Maybe we can give you a hanging convention on the Dem side to go with the possible one on the Republican side. If I were pro-Mitt(which I'm not), I'd be studying John Sears strategies for Ronald Reagan from 1976. That model almost worked then, and may work now. Otherwise, well.....

          Good luck. Go Huckabee, and God save our Republic.

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          • 1 vote
          Reply#19 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 3:37 PM EST
          {"commentId":1439008,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

          Saving our Republic from another local Arkansas that is envidious of Mitt Romney's capabilities and money?

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          • 1 vote
          #19.1 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 5:50 PM EST
          Reply
          {"commentId":1438892,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

          Why Huckabee won 18 Delegates if the people did not vote, for what I believe.

          Politics in the USA is a Babel Tower!

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          • 2 votes
          Reply#20 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 5:18 PM EST
          {"commentId":1439694,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

          I am accepting the defeat of my candidate. I can't let my liver to become a pate.

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          • 1 vote
          Reply#21 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 10:11 PM EST
          {"commentId":1439713,"authorDomain":"mmhuffaker"}

          We can cry together! I've been TTT and, get this, actually cooking! What an influence you've had on me. ;)

          *sigh*

          Well, I guess I've got some research to do on the Dem. side...

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          • 2 votes
          #21.1 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 10:15 PM EST
          {"commentId":1439840,"authorDomain":"polecolaw"}

          Vote for me - I won't cut your ss benefits!
          :-)
          P

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            #21.2 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 10:57 PM EST
            {"commentId":1439875,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

            Megan

            I tried today to boil the potsticker(s) in chicken broth in the slow cooker. This is a wonderful recipe for having a crowd.

            I had 6 demitase cups and two pancakes stuffed with blueberris.

            My TTTs are very mild and creative.

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            • 2 votes
            #21.3 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 11:07 PM EST
            {"commentId":1439944,"authorDomain":"mmhuffaker"}

            And productive... :)

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            • 2 votes
            #21.4 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 11:38 PM EST
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            {"commentId":1440671,"authorDomain":"cecilepryor"}

            I will not vote for McCain even if he is the Republican nominee. I am tired of voting for a Republican for the Party's sake. At some point, conservatives need to stand up for what they believe in EVEN if it means a Democrat wins the White House. I would rather see a Democrat screw up the country next year than a Republican even if McCain is a RINO!

            I was listening to a few voters after Super Tuesday and they mentioned that John McCain stands by his principles. Is that why he is not saying that he would change his previous immigration policy? He'll flip and flop along with the rest of them just to get the vote.

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            Reply#22 - Wed Feb 6, 2008 9:47 AM EST
            {"commentId":1441086,"authorDomain":"polecolaw"}

            Unfortunately the only ones who get any attention these days are those who mold their positions to the "conservative" agenda during the campaign. Same thing on the other side too. Those who really stand by their convictions regardless of party agenda never make it past the primaries with the one possible exception this year of Obama who can say his positions have not changed in substance. I think this one reason he is gaining momentum.

            Time for another party.

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            • 5 votes
            #22.1 - Wed Feb 6, 2008 12:02 PM EST
            {"commentId":1441733,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

            Sure polecolaw, McCain is showing himself more with Lieberman.

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            • 3 votes
            #22.2 - Wed Feb 6, 2008 2:57 PM EST
            {"commentId":1442043,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
            Unfortunately the only ones who get any attention these days are those who mold their positions to the "conservative" agenda during the campaign
            Sure polecolaw, McCain is showing himself more with Lieberman

            Polecolaw and Determined - 22.1-22.2: I disagree with your statement Polecolaw....and agree with determined (I know there is a shocker!). McCain's advertising tells us over and over he is a "conservative"....he is not. And the more McCain tries to tell this conservative that he is conservative the more he angers me. And deter is right, as much as we pubs think Lieberman is a.o.k. for a dem...I mean independent.....his standing behind McCain at every possible opportunity may be appealing to independents, but it is NOT appealing to conservatives.

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            • 3 votes
            #22.3 - Wed Feb 6, 2008 4:18 PM EST
            {"commentId":1443045,"authorDomain":"polecolaw"}

            I'm not sure we disagree. The point I am making is that if McCain ran on his true platform he would never get as far as he has. I think he has had to pander to get here, and that makes a lot of politicians look like - panderers - because they are. But they often have to be if they want party approval and backing because the party platforms have become rigid in some respects. If McCain said today that the tax cuts were wrong in a time of war, for example, the Republican party would do everything in its power to keep him from getting the nomination. So now he is an avid supporter of tax cuts period. Although he may not be appealing to true conservatives, he has molded his platform enough for the party to accept him.

            Candidates who stick by their own personal convictions whether or not they conform to the party platform get drowned out. Kucinich, Paul, etc. My point about Obama is that on the key party issues he has not had to change his position to fit right in. He is a real Democrat's Democrat based on the current platforms.

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            • 2 votes
            #22.4 - Wed Feb 6, 2008 9:13 PM EST
            {"commentId":1443213,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

            McCain today expressed that we (conservatives) have to stop and and embrace him.

            Well, well, Senator, not that fast. I don't belong to your crew or be a subordinate that has to be dismissed and vote for you because we all have to support our Party. No. You should prepared your path and clean after yourself.

            We lost the House, We lost the US Senate because politicians like you are very arrogant and thought that we are living in the '90s when we did not check and voted for a straight ticket. No.

            If the GOP decides that you are the nominee, good luck to them and their future. Right now I have the bill for the renewal of our membership, the bill is in the round file.

            And......don't think that a nice speech tomorrow trying to convince the party that you are the right man for the job is going to make my day.

            Do you think that if am I the President can't perform the job? I will have a lot of people that will do the job for me and I just have to write/tell them: "Please handle"

            It's time for you to go back and continue your business as a dictator in your office and Arizonans.

            You are not getting any medal from me.

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            • 3 votes
            #22.5 - Wed Feb 6, 2008 10:27 PM EST
            {"commentId":1444205,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

            polecolaw 22.4 - that is true that McCain is talking the talk - but his record speaks loudly to the contrary and I am not listening to what he says -I have not been listening to anything other than how he, as Mark Levin said last night, "demeans me" as a conservative voter. I made my mind up about McCain in 2000 and voted BUSH.....I am not changing my mind now after 8 more years have past that proved my original assessment of him was dead on. He will speak at CPAC today and show a nice film about how he is the next Ronald Reagan---NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING could be more offensive to this Reagan republican. He is making a big mistake with this strategy. He needs to be true to himself, figure out a cabinet and VP that can appeal to conservatives.....instead he just continues to insult me.

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            • 2 votes
            #22.6 - Thu Feb 7, 2008 9:18 AM EST
            {"commentId":1444240,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

            determined - 22.5- In my opening paragraph above I asked 3 TIMES: "How is it possible that the Grand Old Party, the GOP, the republican party of which I have always been an extremely proud card carrying member has made John McCain frontrunner for the GOP nomination?".....and last night I got an answer from 2 republican pundits:

            Newt said: it was a "fluke" and Hugh Hewitt said McCain was dealt "an inside straight" and ran with it. NICE. We have a GOP frontrunner despised by the base of his own party on a "fluke".....I had to agree.

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            • 3 votes
            #22.7 - Thu Feb 7, 2008 9:26 AM EST
            {"commentId":1444334,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

            McCain with his "CALM DOWN" is not going to force me to hold my nose to the point to have a respiratory arrest and vote for him. I have still one more option.

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            • 2 votes
            #22.8 - Thu Feb 7, 2008 9:51 AM EST
            {"commentId":1444352,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

            Deter -22.8- I heard that "just calm down" from McCain and just wanted to yell back like a little pre-schooler "No, YOU calm down!!!!" He certainly does bring out the worst in me.

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            • 2 votes
            #22.9 - Thu Feb 7, 2008 9:57 AM EST
            {"commentId":1444889,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

            Just in.

            Romney is dropping from the political campaign.

            Congratulations to the Dems for their new President. We deserve it.

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            • 2 votes
            #22.10 - Thu Feb 7, 2008 12:18 PM EST
            {"commentId":1444911,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

            Deter -22.10- well, I heard it here first from you my friend. Thanks for always keeping me up to date with the latest. .After reading your post, I quickly logged over to CNN and I understand that by "suspending" his campaign he gets to keep his delegates......hmmmm.

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            • 1 vote
            #22.11 - Thu Feb 7, 2008 12:23 PM EST
            {"commentId":1444961,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

            And I hope that one lesson that the debutants and aspiring to be our President is if they don't have the money or the interest, DON'T INTERFERE with our business.

            What Fred Thompson and Giuliani did was not plausuble.

            I have to admire the guts of Huckabee and Ron Paul.

            I can't be with the decision of the GOP that we have to elect McCain.

            That McCain had been conservative and a hawk about spending, well, that's his job.

            Governor Romney - your chance is in 2012.

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            • 1 vote
            #22.12 - Thu Feb 7, 2008 12:32 PM EST
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            {"commentId":1441720,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

            Having a TTT this morning watching Pinocchio w/the Senator Lieberman in his back.

            a) Is McCain planning to join the Independents if the GOP don't nominate him?

            b) Why not a Republican US Senator that backed him was in the press conference?

            I wish that the US Senator Kohl (D) is your competition because I can vote for him. He is the only one that ask intelligents questions during the process of confirmation of the nominees.

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            • 3 votes
            Reply#23 - Wed Feb 6, 2008 2:53 PM EST
            {"commentId":1443271,"authorDomain":"mrgeniussir"}

            Well, as an independent, I SHOULD be telling you "come on in the water's fine", but truth be told, the water ISN'T fine. Sure-I can feel all holier than thou because I'm not a loyal robot to a political machine, but not being able to vote in the primaries truly sux.

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            • 2 votes
            Reply#24 - Wed Feb 6, 2008 10:43 PM EST
            {"commentId":1444224,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

            King - I gather you live in a state with a closed primary? I personally prefer that as I believe each party should get to decide who it's best candidate is to put forward in November. Why not register with the party that is least offensive to you so you can vote?

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            • 1 vote
            #24.1 - Thu Feb 7, 2008 9:23 AM EST
            {"commentId":1447327,"authorDomain":"mrgeniussir"}

            Yep-I think you're right. Even if it means voting AGAINST someone, it would still be a vote.

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            • 1 vote
            #24.2 - Thu Feb 7, 2008 11:50 PM EST
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            {"commentId":1444341,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

            lisa,

            Some of my Republican friends told me that they voted in GA in the Primary for Obama not to have Hillary for the nominee.

            I was thinking and told them that this kind of "strategy" does not reflect well in our future nominee because the State was given to Huckabee.

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            • 2 votes
            Reply#25 - Thu Feb 7, 2008 9:54 AM EST
            {"commentId":1444365,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

            deter - 25.0 - McCain is winning in blue states---and as noted on another thread by TopJedi-McCain is winning in many of the same states where Hillary is winning.....in states that will never vote GOP anyhow.....which to me indicates all of these bogus national polls that say McCain and only McCain can beat hillary in November are all just FULL OF IT. And that bogus "electability" attribute is how McCain has been able to pull out whatever pub support he's gotten. Huckabee seems to be the choice of southern evangelicals who just aren't gonna vote for a blue state pub/mormon ever never ever.

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            • 3 votes
            #25.1 - Thu Feb 7, 2008 10:01 AM EST
            {"commentId":1445065,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

            lisa,

            I said before.

            I am not for winning as much as principle.

            Romney is young and he can make another run and......our own conservatives did not endorse him ON TIME.

            Therefore, so be it. I will let McCain to write his own check and not with my help. He will be accountable for every move like Obama or Hillary.

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            • 2 votes
            #25.2 - Thu Feb 7, 2008 12:57 PM EST
            {"commentId":1445120,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
            our own conservatives did not endorse him ON TIME.

            Deter -25.2- I myself am guilty of this....my support since last summer went as follows:

            1. Rudy; 2. then Fred (when he finally entered race); 3. then Rudy again after Fred left race (though waiting to see how that FLA strategy would work); 4. then when it was clear Rudy was done before he ever even started I turned to Romney.....all too late. Yes, I agree with you that conservatives turned to Romney all too late.....allowing the establishment to embrace the next one in line to the throne.....the wrong guy who just happened to have some name recognition in national polls.

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            • 2 votes
            #25.3 - Thu Feb 7, 2008 1:07 PM EST
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            {"commentId":1445406,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

            lisa, Well, at least Mitt had his opportunity and by now McCain is cleaning after himself.

            McCain is a pitbull but not very senstive about what means to be all ALONE. I explained before I did not vote for a President until 2000 and 2004 because I agree.

            A 4 yrs in the WH by the Dems starting to sounds acceptable. Mrs. McCain Sr. did it really to me about clipping my nose and voting for her son by DEFAULT. No way.

            Undermining a Secretary of Defense in public was......not ethic. Tell Rumsfeld all that he wanted but not in public.

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            Reply#26 - Thu Feb 7, 2008 2:19 PM EST
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