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PrintOh Fred, Fred. Wherefore Art Thou Fred Thompson?
News Type: Opinion — Mon Dec 3, 2007 10:16 AM EST
Live Poll
What is the PRIMARY reason Fred Thompson is not doing better in the polls?
- He's too late to the race for come from behind win6%
- His campaign team is an administrative mess 8%
- He's lackluster in debates-is better on Law&Order22%
- His lymphoma though in remission is troubling0%
- The Lazy Factor-doesn't want it badly enough50%
- Don't worry, Lisaed. He'll get the GOP nomination8%
- Don't worry, Lisaed. He'll get VP nod6%
Total Votes: 36
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Well, it's now December 2007 and we are just 4 weeks away from the first major primary in Iowa on January 3rd. And this story is not new. We conservatives had waited and waited and no not so patiently all last summer for our Fred Thompson to finally and officially throw his hat in the ring and announce his candidacy for President. And alas seasons change and that day finally came one September evening on the Jay Leno Show, but we conservatives worried about Fred's timing. Some experts tried to reassure us that Fred's late entrance was a sound strategic move that would allow him to seem fresh to the electorate, but was it really? He'd missed all that time on the campaign trail pressing palms not to mention countless GOP debates. We all knew Fred had a lot of ground to make up, but was it too much? And so now that the holiday season is here to distract us until the Iowa caucuses I am still asking myself: "Oh Fred, Fred. Wherefore art thou Fred Thompson?"
You see I liken Fred Thompson to some hero in a Shakespearean play---only I just can't say as yet how Fred's story will end. Will it be a comedy or a tragedy? I find myself watching the republican analysts discussing the GOP field and it seems no matter who is being interviewed be it Ann Coulter or even Fred's own Mary Matalin, the interviewer never pushes on the one question I want the experts to answer: "Why isn't Fred Thompson doing better in the polls?" In all fairness, Tim Russert did touch on this lightly with Mary Matalin two weeks ago on Meet The Press. However, Tim allowed Mary to provide us with the same old canned campaign response that "Fred remains #2 in the national polls." But let's face it unless Fred wins some major primaries he will not be our nominee. It's all but a given that Fred has no chance in Iowa or New Hampshire, so we conservatives look to next February's Super Tuesday with high hopes because his campaign tells us that's when Fred will start to move up dramatically in the polls. But will he?
Conservatives remember with fondness this same time in 1999 when George W. Bush was clearly our man. Now in 2007 we look anxiously at the broad field of GOP nominees and know in our hearts that there is not even one frontrunner for us conservatives to love. Romney….Giuliani? They are both all too blue for the conservative base. McCain? Don't even get me started. He threw us under the bus too many times over the last 8 years and we conservatives like our symbolic party elephant do not forget. So when McCain and the rest of the field eventually bow out just who will benefit? I have to believe that Fred could be the beneficiary if he himself manages to keep his horse in the race.
For the record, well it looks pretty grim, I have not yet given up on Fred Thompson. As I noted in my article: "The Hillary 24/7 Show" while Fred may not end up our GOP nominee for President he could still earn a VP nod. I can't help but recognize some similarities with our current VP Dick Cheney – at this stage in their careers both very experienced in Washington insider politics and both plagued by some serious health concerns.
And so my question remains unanswered: Why isn't Fred Thompson doing better? What is the primary (no pun intended) reason? I can think of many potential answers to the question and maybe its some combination of them all. Let's consider the possibilities:
-He's too late to the race and is not likely to deliver a come from behind win.
-His campaign team is an administrative mess despite having that gem Mary Matalin on board.
-He is lackluster in debates---the real Fred Thompson just isn't as powerful as his Law & Order persona.
-He has health issues and though in remission his lymphoma is still troubling.
-The Lazy Factor: He just doesn't seem to want it as badly as Giuliani or Romney
So since the answer to my question apparently is not forthcoming from anywhere else I turn once again to you my fellow viners. I ask you to please participate in my LISAED poll. Tell me what is the number one reason why Fred Thompson continues to lag. I thank you for once again sharing with me your opinions and Happy Holidays!
Relevant Link: "The Hillary 24/7 Show"/ http://lisaed.newsvine.com/_news/2007/10/04/1003172-the-hillary-247-show
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{"commentId":1237121,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
PLEASE, won't somebody, please tell me why Fred Thompson is NOT DOING BETTER in the polls? He was supposed to save the conservatives......what's up with that? Please share with me your views on this my burning question. Thank you!
{"commentId":1237121,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"lisaed"}
- 5 votes
#1 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 10:18 AM EST{"commentId":1237185,"authorDomain":"Zoilus"}
No one can save them. They have committed political suicide when they began believing their own lies were actually the views of the mainstream. Now they are too stubborn/stupid to abandon the failed, and shamed neoconservative party line and just be Republicans again. Sieg Heil
{"commentId":1237185,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"Zoilus"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1237367,"authorDomain":"Zoilus"}
Au contraire, mon freiend. They are conservatives. The term "Social Conservative", is an oxymoron, as is "Compassionate Conservatism". Just meaningless terms coined to soften the image of staunch conservatism and make it "seem" more palatable to the American people. Nobody is buying the changing of terms as it has always just been a repackaging ploy of the same contents. Calling themselves "New and Improved" this sophistry doesn't fly anymore, it has been done to often. They are still just Neo-cons, and that is why they have no chance. The war, falling dollar against the euro, the lowest housing market in history, the drop in the standing of America in, technology, education, a standard of living below that of France, Canada, Germany, loss of world wide respectability, etc, etc. The only way the Republicans can continue as a viable party is to ostracize the conservatives from the party all together.
{"commentId":1237367,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"Zoilus"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1237501,"authorDomain":"LarryH"}
Lisaed, I recall a recent poll in New Hampshire saying 50% of those polled did not like Fred Thompson. I assert this is merely because of his slow, Southern drawl --- pure prejudice.
Astoundingly, a 50% unfavorable poll is about the same Hillary Clinton has earned by her evasions, prevarication, equivocation, duplicity, and demagoguery.
{"commentId":1237501,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"LarryH"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1237522,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1240055,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
lisa, Fred has the look in the eyes of a St. Bernard, tired all the time, no passion and I don't mean the TTTs of McCain or Ron Paul.
So far, Pick a boo is fine with me, even Mitt or Giuliani.
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- 4 votes
{"commentId":1240435,"authorDomain":"jazzman646"}
lisa, I like Fred's acting...but I'm not a supporter of him for President. As I expressed in my vote in your poll...I don't believe Fred truly wants it.
{"commentId":1240435,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"jazzman646"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1240655,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1240660,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1241696,"authorDomain":"carn"}
I think the best answer I can give you is that the "media" doesn't like him. Why? I'm not sure. Perhaps he's too honest or doesn't kowtow to them like the rest of the "usual suspects".
He doesn't fit the stereotype of typical campaigners. He truly doesn't like to campaign. He does want to save this country. Guess you can't have it both ways.
Hopefully people will realize that Huckabee (another Arkansas spinner) is a fluke, Giuliani just won't do and Romney............????? Forget the rest of the contenders.
I'm hoping that people will finally wake up and realize that Fred is the only one who can save this country and hitch their wagon to Fred before it's too late.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1242328,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1237134,"authorDomain":"nytimes-forum-refugees"}
Lisa, Fred is not a Ronald Reagan.
{"commentId":1237134,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"nytimes-forum-refugees"}
- 1 vote
#2 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 10:22 AM EST{"commentId":1237291,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1237148,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}
lisa:
Oh, you really really REALLY don't want to hear the answer, and I really really REALLY don't want to tell you.
Hint: I voted "administrative mess" in your poll.
{"commentId":1237148,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}
- 5 votes
#3 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 10:28 AM EST{"commentId":1237162,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1237755,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}
lisa:
Look. I actually LIKE his wife Jeri and although I'm a guy and therefore indulge in treehouse talk sometimes featuring her embonpoint, I've heard her speak and she's sharp and knowledgable. I mean, when Fred met her she was in Washington working for the RNC, not in Hollywood or New York working for NBC television.
But the fact is, she's an amateur at running campaigns. James Carville when he won with Clinton in '92 had already run huge upset-victory Senate campaign in a major state, PA. Jeri has never run a campaign for city council, let alone President, and running a campaign like this is no job for a first-timer. Too many tiny mistakes accumulate, too many decisions delayed, too many details forgotten .... it adds up to a campaign stuck in neutral.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":1238002,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1238003,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1238105,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}
lisa:
I've been a huge fan of Mary's since the day before the '92 election, and if Fred had brought her on board and put her in charge from Jump Street he might be better positioned now .... but maybe not ...
{"commentId":1238105,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1238264,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
LOL. Until the Gore campaign (and later Kerry's) came along Mary Matalin's previous claim to fame (other than sleeping her way to the top) was in running the theretofore worst campaign in modern American history in the form of 41's.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":1238333,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}
Bill:
In the waning days of 41's losing campaign, all the guys who were supposed to be running it, including that slimebag William Kristol, scampered to quiet safety, cheapshotting each other and their candidate anonymously as they ran for the hills and away from the stain of losing.
That left a low-ranking deputy press officer to deal with the national media vultures and sharks and to stand up for the candidate in the face of looming disaster. That was Mary Matalin. That gal showed more guts in those two days than all the guys running Bush 41's campaign combined have in their entire lives.
{"commentId":1238333,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":1238515,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
Low-ranking deputy press officer? Hell, she was Chief of Staff to Lee Atwater at the RNC and effectively ran it while he was dying:
In 1992, President Bush named her the deputy campaign manager for political operations. As deputy campaign manager, she was responsible for the overview and organization of all 50 state operations. As the on-board planner who traveled with President Bush throughout the 1992 campaign, she emerged as the vocal, and occasionally controversial, defender of the president and his policies.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1238565,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}
Bill:
Yeah so I got confused about what Bush '92 "deputy-ized" her for.
My point stands. The big guys scampered off like the rodents they are while Matalin was, well, I'd say "stand up guy" but she's not a guy. Whatever the gender appropriate term for "stand up guy" is, she was.
{"commentId":1238565,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1238647,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
Funny, but I've always found her particularly physically repulsive in the same way some find Coulter, i.e., mannish. She's vastly overrated and I stand by my original comments (including the part about her sleeping her way to the top).
{"commentId":1238647,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1238690,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}
Bill:
Well, that sounds like you've got some Beltway cocktail gossip.
Who was her mentor as she embarked on her successful career in national politics?
{"commentId":1238690,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1238709,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1238827,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}
lisa:
So let me disagree, then. Some elections, Kennedy/Nixon, Gore/Bush, could go either way, others the times dictate the outcome, Stevenson/Eisenhower, Reagan/Carter.
Bush 41, I feel, ran with the times in '88 but against the times in '92.
But you're right about the fire in the belly, although that's more a factor in the nomination, as with Fred, than in a general election.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1240069,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
Lisa, Mary Matalin was a fiasco for GHWB because she was emotionaly involved with Carville.
Karl is involved again but I don't know to whom he is tilting. Another thing Pick a boo knows Dick Morris very well, Pab said that Dick is not involved but look at the rocketing lately.
{"commentId":1240069,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"a0ted"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1240674,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1241302,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}
lisa:
Actually, for all his popular numbers, Perot didn't change the outcome. Montana and just maybe Georgia switched Electoral College columns because of Perot.
{"commentId":1241302,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1237311,"authorDomain":"beon"}
He is lackluster in debates. Unfortunately, it's because he's lackluster on the issues. Fred is kind of like a wide, slow, shallow stream wending its way pleasantly through the mangroves. We all know, whether on the right or on the left, that these days, this swamp is not a pleasant place. He's just plain incongruous.
{"commentId":1237311,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"beon"}
- 2 votes
#4 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 11:20 AM EST{"commentId":1237529,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1238415,"authorDomain":"beon"}
Right, they are two different things. He is lackluster and that's incongruous when compared to the candidates in both parties.
I'm afraid the problem is not with his campaign being ineffective or not well-oiled, both of which are arguably true. However, Huckabee is running with a very sparse shop and doing quite well.
{"commentId":1238415,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"beon"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1240074,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
lisa,
Fred is Fred and looks tired.
{"commentId":1240074,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"a0ted"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1237347,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
Lisa, these circuses of so-called "debates" are not Fred's natural milieu nor is it to be hoped they'd be the natural milieu of any of these candidates. Romney's slick and is well-funded and Rudy's a national figure. Personally, despite your distrust (some warranted) of McCain I'm hoping he can make a run of it as him and Fred are my two top choices.
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- 5 votes
#5 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 11:32 AM EST{"commentId":1237372,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
Bill - you're right --I don't like mccain one bit - but (unfortunately) I do think he still has a pony in this race.....I basically disagree with Mccain and nope don't trust him on just about every issue other than the war.
{"commentId":1237372,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"lisaed"}
- 3 votes
#6 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 11:40 AM EST{"commentId":1237540,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
He has no personality and no (new) ideas. That tends to sink a campaign. I find it interesting that you find Giuliani being too liberal on the issues to be a problem, but not his scandals (Kerik, Hamptons).
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- 2 votes
#7 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 12:31 PM EST{"commentId":1237571,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1237585,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
Lisa, of all the GOP cadidates Thompson is the only one to talk sensibly and realistically about the issues like entitlement reform. There's also his idea of a voluntary flat tax that bears serious consideration but is doomed by the usual coalition of liberals who want to raise taxes and the K Street crowd who make a living off of gaining loopholes for their clients.
{"commentId":1237585,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":1237590,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
Heh...so what would it take for you to believe that Rudy is corrupt? The scandals are very real, based on real issues.
{"commentId":1237590,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"geejay"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1237665,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1237847,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
Really? If it was kosher, why the creative accounting, Lisa? And how many wives has Rudy had? Why did Rudy's lady use the NYPD as her chauffeur when she was alone?
And Kerik is Rudy's best friend--what a nightmare for Rudy.
But then, I've learned to not expect Repubs to hold their own to the same standards they hold others to.
{"commentId":1237847,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"geejay"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1237980,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1238059,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
The Kerik issue is really just breaking. Creative accouting isn't needed if it is on the up and up. I can only imagine the howls coming from your camp if it were, say, Edwards involved in the scandal Rudy is.
As for Rudy not making it this far, he's falling--what is he, 4th in Iowa?
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1238113,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1238115,"authorDomain":"spookybf"}
do you think the secret service layed down (no pun intended) when Clinton was up to his shenanigans?
BTW, the kerik bit is so yesterday.
Well, I must say you have left me slack-jawed.
{"commentId":1238115,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"spookybf"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1238123,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
Giuliani's baggage is doing him in, Lisa. The man is corrupt and not well liked amongst those who worked with him as mayor.
SB--This just proves that Repubs don't care about any scandals on their side, all they care about is that (R) next to the candidate's name.
{"commentId":1238123,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"geejay"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1239474,"authorDomain":"adambecker"}
Rudy is having some problems right now but to me it's all a bunch of either liberal or romney camp spin
Wow, have you read a single story about what he's accused of doing?
{"commentId":1239474,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"adambecker"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1240635,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1240678,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
There's always a way to excuse Repubs, I guess.
{"commentId":1240678,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"geejay"}
{"commentId":1241236,"authorDomain":"jazzman646"}
If the 2008 ballot comes down to Rudi vs Hillary (which I believe it will -despite what happens in hog country), there's defintely no Clinton advantage in morality.
Rudi is not responsible for the actions of Kerik; just as any of us are not responsible for any criminal actions those we may know or have associated with may commit.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1241309,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
Rudy was in a business partnership with Kerik. I tend to think that he had at least some idea of what Kerik was up to.
What moral issues does Clinton have? Standing by her husband? Yeah, she and Bill could be like many Repubs, on their third + spouses.
{"commentId":1241309,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"geejay"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1242363,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1243943,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
It seems to be "resonating" just fine, some polls have Rudy losing a quarter of his support in this past week alone.
Rudy criminalized himself and he's no one's hero. What exactly did he do on 9/11 to earn that title? Place the heart of operations in right in the biggest target? Dare Al Queda to try again (as he did in '93?) Run around and look for cameras to mug before?
The proof is in the pudding--those who worked in the NYFD and NYPD dislike Rudy intensely.
{"commentId":1243943,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"geejay"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1244384,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
TJG,
Rudi did a lot more than Hill lying to the press that her daughter was in danger.
What would you do better than hjim if you are Rudy w/a 9/11/01 in/on your hands?
Chapter, Verse and Page, please, with details.
{"commentId":1244384,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"a0ted"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1244461,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
Well, first off, I would not have taunted Al Queda to try again back in 1993, I would not have located the command center in the WTC complex and I would have done more than look for a camera to follow me. I wouldn't have alienated the firemen and police prior to 9/11. You realize that had Rudy not located the emergency command center in the WTC complex that fewer might have died? Had he worked on getting radios and communication tools that would work in all squads?
How dare Hillary be concerned about her daughter! Darn her family worries! She should have a relationship with Chelsea like Rudy does with his kids, who said they wouldn't vote for him.
Your turn, Det. Please tell me, chapter and verse, what Rudy actually *did* on 9/11 to make him a hero. What he did beforehand to make emergencies handle better?
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{"commentId":1244530,"authorDomain":"jazzman646"}
Rudy was in a business partnership with Kerik. I tend to think that he had at least some idea of what Kerik was up to.
To The Jones Girl
If you read the indictment of specific alleged charges against Kerik, they involve criminal activity that really only benefits him, in a personal way (other than those running the buisnesses involved, and no one has charged Giuliani has any connection with any of these businesses).
Would you think it fair to also say the Clintons had at least some idea of what Norman Hsu was up to?
Democratic Fundraiser Hsu Indicted in NY
NEW YORK -- Top Democratic fundraiser Norman Hsu swindled investors out of millions of dollars and made illegal donations to the political campaigns of congressional and presidential candidates, including Hillary Clinton, prosecutors said.
Probably not.
What moral issues does Clinton have? Standing by her husband? Yeah, she and Bill could be like many Repubs, on their third + spouses.
My opinion is Hillary is still with Bill only because she needs him for her political aspirations.
The name Hillary Rodham is not a vote-getter
{"commentId":1244530,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"jazzman646"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1244563,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
Your opinion on another's marriage is dandy, but means little. I personally think what the Clintons did is more honorable than running to divorce court, like Rudy. And isn't one of the complaints about Clinton that he is a proven womanizer? If marrying four times and having mistresses isn't proof of the same for Rudy, I don't know what is...perhaps if he recieved a BJ in his office you guys would care?
Rudy was Kerik's business partner. I doubt that he was not aware of Kerik's activities, but feel free to spin away and make excuses. Hsu wasn't Clinton's business partner and close friend, just a donor. And she gave back the money. Rudy makes excuses. Some leader he is!
{"commentId":1244563,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"geejay"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1244984,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1244991,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1244996,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
And Lisa, what were the results of the suits that were brought against Clinton?
I just love watching you defend Rudy's actions when they are so similar to what Clinton did. I guess the most important thing to some is that (R) next to the person's name, it seems to excuse a multitude of sins!
Once a cheater, always a cheater, if I were Rudy's current wife, I wouldn't be too comfortable that I would remain his only interest.
{"commentId":1244996,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"geejay"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1245041,"authorDomain":"spookybf"}
...I think this information maybe relevant to voters...
{"commentId":1245041,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"spookybf"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1250664,"authorDomain":"jazzman646"}
Your opinion on another's marriage is dandy, but means little
That's true...it's just my opinion...means little...
Rudy was Kerik's business partner. I doubt that he was not aware of Kerik's activities
now that's just your opinion...means little... =)
{"commentId":1250664,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"jazzman646"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1237572,"authorDomain":"nytimes-forum-refugees"}
Jones. You are correct, this is not Law and Order.
{"commentId":1237572,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"nytimes-forum-refugees"}
- 1 vote
#8 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 12:40 PM EST{"commentId":1238250,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
Heh...even if it were, Thompson is the weakest part of that show.
Jerry Orbach '08! (yes, I know he isn't with the living).
{"commentId":1238250,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"geejay"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1238321,"authorDomain":"caltha-palustris"}
TJG,
Chuckle. And, at the very least Jerry had better one liners too... even from the grave. ;-D
{"commentId":1238321,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"caltha-palustris"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1238336,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
I was going to say that even at present, Jerry has more personality than Fred, but didn't want to be tacky :p
{"commentId":1238336,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"geejay"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1237689,"authorDomain":"PurelyPolitical"}
I attribute it to a lack of intensity. It just seems like his head is not in the game. Does he want it? Then he needs to act like it.
He is my choice right now. But even I look at him and think of an old basset hound that just lifts his head and looks at you when you tell him to "Go! Fetch!"
BTW, caught this on the front page. Nice work.
{"commentId":1237689,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"PurelyPolitical"}
- 7 votes
#9 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 1:17 PM EST{"commentId":1237766,"authorDomain":"onlineapps"}
Thompson basically seems to lackluster. I wish he weren't: he's my choice for president.
BTW, don't count out the rest of the field. Huckabee's showing huge gains in Iowa. If he can pull off a Romney upset there, he could springboard that to a GOP nomination.
{"commentId":1237766,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"onlineapps"}
- 2 votes
#10 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 1:40 PM EST{"commentId":1237998,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1238234,"authorDomain":"LarryH"}
John McCain will not give up. He's going all the way to the Convention.
He didn't give up when he was in the North Vietnamese POW camp!
{"commentId":1238234,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"LarryH"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1238373,"authorDomain":"onlineapps"}
I'm sure he won't give up any time soon. But he's also seeing his chances slip quickly away.
{"commentId":1238373,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"onlineapps"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1238786,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1237816,"authorDomain":"beon"}
Thompson's voluntary flat tax is meaningless in terms of tax policy and would be an even bigger nightmare in terms of administration. The idea that taxpayers would have a "choice" isn't revolutionary. The present regulations provide for scores, if not hundreds, of elections. The notion that adding the ability to choose which type of return you file accomplishes anything but more confusion and more analysis of alternatives is ludicrous. The inherent problem with our tax code is not the rates. Flat tax talk is lovely, but first one needs to define income. There's the rub.
{"commentId":1237816,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"beon"}
- 2 votes
#11 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 1:58 PM EST{"commentId":1237900,"authorDomain":"daweb"}
Should I assume then that you will stick with the current tax yourself?
{"commentId":1237900,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"daweb"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1237995,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
I'm still trying to figure out what conservative Republicans find enticing about Huckabee. He raised his hand to say he doesn't believe in evolution, wants a nationwide ban on smoking in public and launched a completely uncalled for and despicable attackon Mitt Romney's religious background. I sure as hell don't want another Baptist preacher in the WH. One was enough. The guy's a prick dressed up in aw shucks garb.
{"commentId":1237995,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1238016,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1238270,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
He ain't likeable to me. The guy's got a mean streak a mile wide and I don't want any Bible-thumpin' non-believer in evolution in the WH.
{"commentId":1238270,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1238432,"authorDomain":"beon"}
Should I assume then that you will stick with the current tax yourself?
Don't have much choice now, do I? But seriously, I haven't seen a credible alternative yet, on either side of the aisle. US taxation is complicated. "Fixing" it is complicated. Simplistic, politically attractive, soundbites are not going to be the solution.
{"commentId":1238432,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"beon"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1241197,"authorDomain":"jazzman646"}
and I don't want any Bible-thumpin' non-believer in evolution in the WH.
Bill,
Sounds like you didn't vote for GWB!!!
{"commentId":1241197,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"jazzman646"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1242373,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1238044,"authorDomain":"caltha-palustris"}
Hi Lisa,
Fred Thompson doesn't seem to have any oomph. And, I made a distinction on one of Bill's threads, too: he's like an old basset hound. Old dog with old tricks or no tricks (as Bodhi, pointed out above). I also wonder if Thompson really wants the job.
{"commentId":1238044,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"caltha-palustris"}
- 4 votes
#12 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 3:08 PM EST{"commentId":1238067,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1238094,"authorDomain":"spookybf"}
Why should he take up the mantle when he's done enough to keep him on the talkinghead circuit for until decides to retire? Between paid punditry and speaking engagements (those conventioneers ain't gonna pontificate themselves you know...) ol' Fred is gonna make a mint; a lot more than the President makes.
{"commentId":1238094,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"spookybf"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1238487,"authorDomain":"LarryH"}
Fred Thompson is not avaricious for power.
Remember Shakespeare's Tragedies of Othello and Richard III or even the historical play Julius Caesar?
Do we really want a president with the qualities of Iago, Richard III, or Cassius, someone with that lean and hungry look, with an overweening desire to be the POTUS?
{"commentId":1238487,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"LarryH"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1238512,"authorDomain":"beon"}
Or Lady Macbeth?
{"commentId":1238512,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"beon"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1238724,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1238682,"authorDomain":"leonidas"}
{"commentId":1238737,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
jak68 – well –it's kinda picky – but I still think the title holds even with the proper translation of "wherefore"---"Why are you Fred Thompson?" – OR – "Why are you a bassett hound?" Fred has SO much potential but alas this poll indicates he has some critical weaknesses – I emailed this link to Fred's campaign – they can do with it what they will…..50% of those polled here today say it's "The Lazy Factor – doesn't want it badly enough" – he can work on this if in fact he REALLY does want it.
{"commentId":1238737,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"lisaed"}
- 2 votes
#14 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 7:03 PM EST{"commentId":1239239,"authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}
Lisa, Huckabee may be leaving the others behind, and through no fault of their own.
{"commentId":1239239,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}
- 3 votes
#15 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 10:46 PM EST{"commentId":1239270,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
roads -what do you mean, "through no fault of their own?" ---there is not one clear perfect GOP candidate - but then again I guess there never is....Romney is a flip/flopper, Giuliani has those marital issues and is too moderate as far as conservatives are concerned on key issues like abortion and gun control. McCain is also no conservative......Huckabee isn't conservative on key issues like taxes and illegal immigration....so why is Huckabee doing so well in Iowa? ps - roads - did you vote in my poll????
{"commentId":1239270,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"lisaed"}
- 4 votes
#16 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 10:58 PM EST{"commentId":1239302,"authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}
All the candidates offer strengths, but the voters are fickle and judgmental. The more they see of the candidates, the more the pundits delve out their flaws -- flaws we all possess -- and magnify them. Everyone should realize that God ain't running for office.
Isn't Huckabee an avid fisherman and hunting supporter? That may go over big, as well as being a Baptist. He's homespun, too.
I do wonder whether Thompson is trying hard enough. Well, it's still a long time out. Much could change.
{"commentId":1239302,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1239583,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}
PLEASE, won't somebody, please tell me why Fred Thompson is NOT DOING BETTER in the polls?
This isn't the casting call for the remake of Mayberry RFD!
{"commentId":1239583,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}
- 3 votes
#17 - Tue Dec 4, 2007 1:49 AM EST{"commentId":1242418,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1243702,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}
who will play Aunt Bee? Hillary? Ha ha....!
Only if rolling in dough is training to make pies!
{"commentId":1243702,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1240490,"authorDomain":"shadyrudy"}
The joke around here is that he bet the Cavs would win the NBA title and if they Cavs lost, he would run for President. Hence, we have a man running for president for the sole purpose of paying off a bet. At least that is what it looks like.
{"commentId":1240490,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"shadyrudy"}
- 1 vote
#18 - Tue Dec 4, 2007 11:33 AM EST{"commentId":1242110,"authorDomain":"AsymptoticToZero"}
Americans have forgotten that the noun "president" is derived from the verb "preside". We need a lazy president. In fact, it would take a couple centuries of lazy presidents, and congresses, to get this country back to something close to what was imagined at its founding.
I'm reminded of something from Frederick the Great, along the lines of - there are four kinds of military officers: 1) motivated and intelligent; 2) motivated and foolish; 3) lazy and intelligent; and 4) lazy and foolish. All but those in the category 2 have their functions, but the 2's you have to get rid of immediately after identification. According to Frederick, the 1's are wonderful but they're too hyper to be trusted with the big picture. It's the 3's you want for your topmost leaders. They see without overreacting. They have patience. Fred Thompson is a 3.
p.s. Both Bill and Hillary Clinton are 2's because they're constantly busy where they have no business.
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- 4 votes
#19 - Tue Dec 4, 2007 7:55 PM EST{"commentId":1242309,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1242371,"authorDomain":"AsymptoticToZero"}
Thanks lisaed. I just sent you a friend request, my first ever! I agree with what you say about the 3's: it's a flaw in the modern democratic system that people who should be president usually have better sense than to run in the first place, or, to put it another way, there's a huge difference between campaigning and presiding. Things have to get pretty bad before a country shows enough sense to do what would be good for it.
{"commentId":1242371,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"AsymptoticToZero"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1242430,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1243952,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
What experience does any Repub contender have?
{"commentId":1243952,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"geejay"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1244389,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
TJG
We know what each of the Republicans candidates have, do you know yours? I hope so.
{"commentId":1244389,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"a0ted"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1244420,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1244470,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
Giuliani – Mayor NYC on 9-11
And that provides what experience, Lisa? Without using a national tragedy for political gain, Rudy would have zippo.
What legislation did Fred pass or propose while in the Senate?
Sure, Mitt was governor, but what did he do then to qualify him? Same with Huckabee--what foreign relations experience do they, or any of the Repubs have?
{"commentId":1244470,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"geejay"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1244961,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1244969,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
Yes, I am sure that the candidates' own websites aren't biased at all. I'm asking simple questions of what you see as their experience.
{"commentId":1244969,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"geejay"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1247493,"authorDomain":"daweb"}
TJG, you question was answered, you just don't like the answer. My bet is because it dwarfs the Dem's experience.
{"commentId":1247493,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"daweb"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1247566,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
Actually, the question was dodged, I asked for her opinion. Telling me to go to the candidate's sites is like telling someone to google something. A non-answer.
I have no fear of the Repub candidates...they are all either nuts, scandal-ridden or both.
{"commentId":1247566,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"geejay"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1247578,"authorDomain":"daweb"}
and I was talking about her answer to your question.
Since I don't expect you will be voting in the Republican primary I really have little to no interest in your opinion of the Republican Candidates. Probably even less interest then you do in my opinion of the scandal ridden nutty Dem candidates.
{"commentId":1247578,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"daweb"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1247591,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
She listed a bunch of dates of their terms, hardly a response.
What scandals are you referring to in the Dem candidates? And for one who doesn't care about my opinions, why respond to me? That alone proves you care.
You seem quite touchy about anyone outside the party questioning your candidates. Could it be because you know in your heart that you have no one who will resonate with the moderates in 2008?
{"commentId":1247591,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"geejay"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1247607,"authorDomain":"daweb"}
you have made this thread more difficult to read. I do not care about your opinion tho. but if you feel that I have proven to care well...
Yawn
Oops, started to fall asleep there. As for the scandals of the Dem candidates, please have patience, once the looney Left (the base that tends to vote in primaries) has spoken and the actual race begins there will be plenty of time for that then.
Oh, and you asked what experience these people had. She answered you. Deal with it.
{"commentId":1247607,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"daweb"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1247617,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
you have made this thread more difficult to read
How dare I pop in and ask questions and have a differing opinion, right, DA?
So you have no scandals to point to....on the Rep side, I can point to Kerik, the mistress scandal, Huckabee pardoning a rapist, Mitt's flip-flops. Good luck in '08, no wonder you sound bitter. I would too, with your candidate pool :)
{"commentId":1247617,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"geejay"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1247630,"authorDomain":"daweb"}
on the Rep side, I can point to
Who cares what you point to? You aren't going to vote for or against any of these till the presidential election and we have a primary before that happens.
As to you being allowed to post a question here, you certainly are. I am allowed to point out that your question has been answered as well. I cannot stop you from being annoying or from trolling here. I am not worried about '08, but I sense some concern from you.
So you have no scandals to point to
Funny, but anyone that can read can clearly see that you are attempting to put words in my mouth here. Why? Are you afraid of something?
{"commentId":1247630,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"daweb"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1247636,"authorDomain":"daweb"}
no wonder you sound bitter
Funny, I haven't made a sound...
Good luck in '08
Thanks!
{"commentId":1247636,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"daweb"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1247642,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
Your response, when I asked about Dem scandals was "just wait." Which leads me to think you have nothing.
Your problem is that you see other points of view and asking questions as "trolling."
And again, with all your fuss, you seem to care a great deal. Otherwise, why the fuss and time spent typing responses? If you think that many out there don't have the same concerns as me, you are in for a shock at the polls, DA. Why is the most popular Repub running "None of the Above?"
{"commentId":1247642,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"geejay"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1247743,"authorDomain":"daweb"}
Your problem is that you see other points of view and asking questions as "trolling."
Actually I referred to your comments where you began harrassing Lisaed AFTER she answered you as trolling.
why the fuss and time spent typing responses
Had some time to kill before a meeting.
I put no faith at all in polls that include dems when asking about republican primary candidates. Easy for you to claim that by the way. I would bet you have nothing to back it up tho.
Why are you so concerned with the republican candidates at this point?
{"commentId":1247743,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"daweb"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1247762,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
I have an interest in politics...and whom the Repubs are liking and not liking. Is that OK with you?
I wasn't harrassing anyone, I just wanted a real answer, not a recitation of numbers or an invitation to visit a website.
And there's plenty to back up my view that people are sick of Repubs--look at polls on various issues.
So if you put no faith in these polls, does that mean you have no faith in Lisa's questions above?
{"commentId":1247762,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"geejay"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1247932,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
TJG
Friendly antagonist, polls are a joke and serve the purposes of those that are selling their dear candidates.
{"commentId":1247932,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"a0ted"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1248011,"authorDomain":"daweb"}
determined0a1, you are most correct
{"commentId":1248011,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"daweb"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1248130,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
Unless the poll is trumpeting that the Repub candidates could beat Hillary, right?
Then you guys race to agree with it.
{"commentId":1248130,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"geejay"}
{"commentId":1248141,"authorDomain":"daweb"}
not because the poll said it but because we happen to believe it to be true. there is a difference.
{"commentId":1248141,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"daweb"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1248195,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
So you admit to cherry-picking your polls. How interesting.
{"commentId":1248195,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"geejay"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1248625,"authorDomain":"daweb"}
No I said that on occasion a poll might come out that we agree with. You seem to have a bit of trouble with your reading comprehension. Personally I think you are compensating for something.
{"commentId":1248625,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"daweb"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1250029,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
Personal attacks. Just what I expect from you, DA.
{"commentId":1250029,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"geejay"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1250195,"authorDomain":"daweb"}
A - thought you were ignoring me. not very good at it are you.
B - What personal attack.
{"commentId":1250195,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"daweb"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1244622,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
Dear TJG,
What qualifies Petronio to be President?
Rudy was there for the New Yorkers and of course that facing the music in NYC in a tragedy outlines the future performance of a President.
{"commentId":1244622,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"a0ted"}
- 4 votes
#20 - Wed Dec 5, 2007 3:52 PM EST{"commentId":1244628,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
Rudy was there for the New Yorkers and of course that facing the music in NYC in a tragedy outlines the future performance of a President.
What did he specifically DO that was heroic? Simply being mayor and looking good isn't much of anything. What "music" did he face? What did he do that any other person as mayor wouldn't have done? Please answer with specifics.
{"commentId":1244628,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"geejay"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1244958,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1244977,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
Hmmm, let's see: Katrina: knocked out infrastructure over a large area and lasted many days. 9/11: occurred in a small area, contained and lasted one day. So, what did Rudy do exactly? Why are you and Det dancing around a specific answer, Lisa? That to me is very telling. We are talking about what Rudy specifically did that was heroic/out of the ordinary on 9/11. Surely, a hero's actions should be easy to list.
{"commentId":1244977,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"geejay"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1244978,"authorDomain":"spookybf"}
Rudy was there for the New Yorkers and of course that facing the music in NYC in a tragedy outlines the future performance of a President.
I believe you are right...
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":1245260,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
Hmmm, let's see: Katrina: knocked out infrastructure over a large area and lasted many days. 9/11: occurred in a small area, contained and lasted one day.
Oh, oh, oh. Now you are recognizing that the low performance of the local authorities (D) in NO/LA wasn't the blame of GWB, et al. However, Katrina, Katrina, Katrina!!!
So, what did Rudy do exactly?
Well Rudy/Rudi wasn't frozen during 45 minutes like the Senator Kerry - aspirant to be President.
Why are you and Det dancing around a specific answer, Lisa?
That to me is very telling. We are talking about what Rudy specifically did that was heroic/out of the ordinary on 9/11. Surely, a hero's actions should be easy to list.
I have to be Det now.
Wow, specifically, Giuliani did not have a rocket in the burundongo that he could hit 4 planes at the same time.
Why Clinton/Clinton did not have in place a decent plan to avoid 9/11/01? He was in the Presidency during 8 years, he could do something.
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- 4 votes
#21 - Wed Dec 5, 2007 7:54 PM EST{"commentId":1245519,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
Again, Det, I see no specifics as to what Rudy did that was heroic, just a bunch of complaints about Dems. If you have nothing on the topic, admit it. You're supporting an empty suit that bases his success on America's biggest tragedy. Fantastic qualifications!
9/11 happened 9 months into Bush's presidency. Clinton's staff (and Clinton) warned the incoming admin that something might be afoot, Bush chose to ignore the warnings. Why was Bush on vacation 7 months into his presidency?
And I will remind you that the first WTC attack in '93 occurred with less time into Clinton's first term, yet his admin managed to try and jail those responsible. What did Bush do after 9/11? Oh, yes, he lied us into Iraq, a war with no plan and no point. OBL is still at large.
Again, if you have any specific deeds that Rudy did which were heroic, I'd love to see it. Or do you simply have another rant about Dems?
{"commentId":1245519,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"geejay"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1245683,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
Again, if you have any specific deeds that Rudy did which were heroic
What any of your candidates did heroic that they deserve my vote?
Or do you simply have another rant about Dems?
Of course, increasing the taxes is very scary. Tell me how Petronio, Evita and Breck Hair are going to pay for their promises while they will live in an awsome life if elected?
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- 4 votes
#22 - Wed Dec 5, 2007 10:50 PM EST{"commentId":1246821,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
Of course, increasing the taxes is very scary.
Well, do you prefer Bush's credit card spending leadership? Biggest expansion of the government since WWII. Better to pay for it now with taxes.
What any of your candidates did heroic that they deserve my vote?
I'm not claiming that any of my candidates are heroes, but the Right tosses that label onto Rudy at every turn. And again, you aren't answering my question, but deflecting it. Point taken, Rudy is a hero to the Right in rhetoric only.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1247734,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1247781,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
He stood up? All I remember is him pandering to the cameras. If he was so great, why do so many in the fire and police departments detest him and his actions on 9/11?
His location of the command center, bullying tone in the 90s and so on, impeded us on 9/11.
{"commentId":1247781,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"geejay"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1247943,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
Oh, dear.
TV cameras follow even the chasing cars by the police. Paris Hilton's drama when in jail and tell me about the death of Anna Nicole. Rudy did not hired them.
{"commentId":1247943,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"a0ted"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1248139,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
I guess my definition of heroic is more than "appeared on camera and made a speech."
Much like Nazi and like words, the word hero is over and mis-used.
{"commentId":1248139,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"geejay"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1248148,"authorDomain":"daweb"}
Not sure why you are brining up Nazis. you thinking about Bill?
{"commentId":1248148,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"daweb"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1248196,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
I don't know where you would get that. It was an analogy of an overused, now meaningless word.
Thanks for reminding me to put you on ignore, DA.
{"commentId":1248196,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"geejay"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1248631,"authorDomain":"daweb"}
Interesting that you think the word 'nazi' is a meaningless word. I don't think you believe that.
As for putting me on ignore. Hallelujah!!!
now lets see if you can stick to it...
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":1250306,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1248042,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
TJG
Leaving Rudy aside Mitt hit a ball out of the park with all the bases filled in his speech.
You see, it does not take a village to have good candidates.
{"commentId":1248042,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"a0ted"}
- 3 votes
#23 - Thu Dec 6, 2007 5:57 PM EST{"commentId":1248136,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
Actually, Rudy may have harmed himself with the speech, his staffers didn't want him to give it. And as the AP article mentioned, he has to overcome his image of a flip-flopper.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1248174,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
TJG
We know how close to the truth AP is.
About the polls. Remember, Kerry was winning until 7 p.m. in the last Presidential elections, the polls were giving to him the crown, just too soon. Until the last chad/pregnant or sunshine is counted is questionable predict who will be.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":1248201,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
The AP was quoting people in Mitt's campaign, Det.
Face it, your field has issues, big issues to overcome. Not that the Dems are perfect, but you guys have to overcome Bush and many, many scandals.
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{"commentId":1248458,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
TJG
It's called political "strategery". Say something negative and the rest is history.
Face it, your field has issues, big issues to overcome.
Really? I did not notice.
Not that the Dems are perfect, but you guys have to overcome Bush and many, many scandals.
If those scandals don't touch the close to my heart, I can't suffer or cry.
All have glass houses.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":1250012,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
Those scandals show what sort of person, if not leader, the candidate is.
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{"commentId":1250212,"authorDomain":"daweb"}
So you agree that the Hsu scandal effects hillary rotten clinton...
{"commentId":1250212,"threadId":"184325","contentId":"1138179","authorDomain":"daweb"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1250236,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
She gave the money back.
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{"commentId":1250279,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1250366,"authorDomain":"daweb"}
not to mention the 'untraceable dontations' from the laundry working chinese.
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- 4 votes
{"commentId":1250434,"authorDomain":"daweb"}
The clintonista's LOL
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- 4 votes
{"commentId":1254130,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
TJG,
Friendly adversary, lisa is the equivalent of a mini library keeping the scores.
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- 3 votes
#24 - Sat Dec 8, 2007 11:52 PM EST{"commentId":1254290,"authorDomain":"spookybf"}
...hmmmm, a mini-library of scores... Uhm, not so much... lisa doesn't review her copy...
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{"commentId":1255710,"authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}
Could your opinion be influenced by partisan stance?
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1342947,"authorDomain":"replytoj001"}
I think Fred Thompson said it best...."I have not always wanted to be President" meaning he has not, since, kindergarten, the first grade, made being president his number one over all life driving force.
His laid back style is unsettling to some, but I do admit...I find it rather refreshing.
I like when he said that if he is not elected, it is not the end of the world, at least not the end of his world.
Do not discount Fred Thompson.
replytoj001
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- 2 votes
#25 - Tue Jan 8, 2008 7:04 PM EST{"commentId":1343749,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
{"commentId":1342997,"authorDomain":"spookybf"}
I just read Thompson is stumping in Greenville, SC. His drawl will appeal much better to the Republican people down south of the Mason-Dixon but he has got to get a good showing; first or at least second place.
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- 2 votes
#26 - Tue Jan 8, 2008 7:26 PM EST{"canLink":false,"threadId":"184325","isPrivate":false}
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